Is it worth it to go into programmers at 30, but not simple, but ..?

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Career in IT

Hi all!
I worked and still work in technical support and maintenance of self-written programs, in Moscow offices, including a bank, not in my specialty. I know how to program a little. While working and looking at the programmers, I realized that I can’t work in the enterprise (java, plsql or t-sql, 1c, c#, qa, business-analyst), although they pay very, very well there.
In this regard, questions:
1. Does the working atmosphere, teams, the very specifics of working on the web (python, JavaScript, php) differ from the enterprise? How?
2. How does the salary and the demand for specialists differ?
3. How to grow on the web. In the enterprise, there are team leads, technical leads, project managers. And on the web?
I don't consider freelancing at all, just in case. Should I mess with Python? Java makes me sick, sql makes me sick even more, all these business nuances in general.
Thank you for your attention.

Answer 1

A programmer in a large state office and the same bank. This is not an indicator.
Terrible legacy in the code of systems. When you try to get a job in a slightly different field, it turns out
that there is no necessary knowledge. The world is constantly changing. So in the best case, 3-6 months
will have to pull up knowledge to the right.
Is Java really sick? Unfortunately, there is no big money in android development, but you can try
to do something interesting for yourself.
I write in PHP for money. For myself, I have been drinking the application for 10 months.
Of these, 2 read in the evenings startdroid. During the New Year holidays, I made the first prototype.
7 months the program in the market was available only from Russia. interested in this time
probably 100 people. All the time I studied and rewrote it. Three months ago, opened
to the whole world. Two weeks ago I took the achievement of 10 thousand installations.
For myself, I concluded that in order for this to become the main income, an audience of approximately
300 thousand users (1-2 million installations) is needed.
I also realized that 90% of the programs are written by people with a level of knowledge not higher than a 2nd year student.

Answer 2

1. How lucky
2. Depends on the region
3. Titles, salaries If you are sick
of technology and programming language, then you should not go into programming

Answer 3

It's not Java that makes you sick, it's programming :)

Answer 4

SQL is the most understandable and enjoyable of all programming languages.
I do not advise you to go into programming if you do not like it. Many different jobs.

Answer 5

Java makes me sick, sql makes me sick even more, all these business nuances in general.

ahrinet))) try something related, for example, print out reams of paper before filling the printer in some kind of web studio.
Or drink dramin for a week. They say it's good for nausea...

Answer 6

Java makes me sick, sql makes me sick even more

Not worth it.

Answer 7

The front of the year from 14 is intensively turning into an enterprise, with all the same problems as in any other enterprise. How many projects I visited - each has its own zoo and its own ideas about beauty, often not completely intersecting with mine. As a result, instead of an impactful creative, I have to force myself to write in the manner required by the customer, which is far from always easy and simple. A lot of effort goes into compensating for internal conflicts, such as the soul strives for the beautiful and perfect, and you have to write what you have to write ... Burnout occurs at an accelerated pace from this, and the requirements for programmers are clearly formed by people who have not written a single line of code in their lives, and even they do not understand approximately how it works, what is the physiology of the nervous system and what such inadequate requirements are fraught with.
At the same time, while you are young and alone, in general, your salary is enough to live pretty, afford macbooks and iPhones, and still have some money left ... And if, God forbid, you have a family, a mortgage, etc., then the standard of living is objectively strives for a living wage and every day permanent stress. There is no talk of any accumulation of speech at all in this situation. Creativity also fades away. It’s good if there are reflexes developed over the years that allow this disgrace to be taken out at the very least. And if not?
Moreover, over the past 5 years, the front-end has become wildly more complicated, enriched with tons of technologies, and these processes continue their victorious march at an accelerated pace. And this means that you are simply doomed to run ahead of the locomotive, otherwise get out of the market. Well, or wellcome to serve hordes of legacy projects with the worst shit code in exchange for food ...
All of the above is IMHO. Maybe I just got up on the wrong foot today ... Who knows ...

Answer 8

1) Why did you decide that there is no interprise in python, JavaScript, php? It happens, and it is no different from others. With team leads, technical leads and project managers.
2) ZP as elsewhere. Specialists are paid a lot, and they are in demand. For beginners - a penny. Without skills, you are not needed by any Interprise.
3) Just like everywhere else. It's getting harder and harder to work choosing projects. Ideally, with an experienced mentor.

Answer 9

Who is the programmer? Rhetorical question.
What are programmers? Yes, whatever. Old and young, pkhpshniki and sisharpists, low-level ala microelectronics and tall, fat and qtshniks ...
And where are the programmers? Yes, anywhere. At the institute, at school, in a bank, in an IT company, in a small website creation office...
And now to the questions.
Is it worth going? And where will you go? ) Everything is different everywhere. There is one, here is another.
Collectives? Everywhere different. In state companies, in a small private trader, in large ones everything is also different.
The salary? Demand? If we get lucky. A small private trader can generally give a gray salary, a large private trader can reduce salary, for example, if the project (which you programmed perfectly) was merged by managers.
Team leads, tech leads, project managers - this is not growth. These are categories of approximately the same level.
Height is junior-middle-senior - although it is not height either.
Growth is a programmer-head of a department-head of a company. Fantasy? In the USA - almost a reality.
Growth is not only an increase in salary, but also an increase in responsibility for decisions and an increase in the number of subordinates.
Brief conclusions.
Programming is like a lottery. Some people get lucky, others don't. Too fickle type of activity, everything changes too quickly. Regardless of language, age, etc.
Now almost everyone is a bit of a programmer.
Is it worth going? No.
Do you want money? Go to... the bank. Is it logical? Manager, for example, if you have experience.
Go to brokers. Go into business (Medved).
And good salaries do pay programmers. But not everyone. And not always.
As well as employees of other specialties.

Answer 10

What's stopping you from just picking up and going to work?
A programmer does not have to be in a technical lead at all, etc. Most programmers simply grow into better programmers.