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bro-dev2016-11-05 16:25:26
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bro-dev, 2016-11-05 16:25:26

Is it ethical to get rid of intermediaries when working on a project?

I worked for a web studio making a website for them. When everything was finished, somehow the customer of the site was able to contact me and called me and offered a separate contract for the revision of this site, I did not find any reason to refuse, I clearly explained that this is a separate order and we have no responsibility to each other for previous work .
Later, the web studio asked if you don’t know who is finishing the site for them, well, I’m an honest guy doing business openly, he said yes I am, well, the raids began)
So I think I really was wrong and I had to refuse and send him to the web studio.

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Dmitry Chernyak, 2016-11-05
@ZUSS

I'm freaking out. All such cool businessmen, judging by the comments, only monetary relations and fuck ethics.
Business ethics is not a spherical horse in a vacuum, it is a set of well-established, unwritten rules, the interaction of participants in the process. This also includes the concepts of reputation, company name, brand history, etc., i.e. a large part of intangible assets that have a very real financial value.
Throwing intermediaries is bad. This is a blow to your reputation, in the long term, the loss of a certain number of orders, and the assumption of functions that are not characteristic of you.
Yes, you have now cut down a little more dough, but then this intermediary will never come to you with an order again. Another 5-10 such visits and you will get a certain reputation, albeit in narrow circles.
Intermediaries, of course, need to be crushed, bargained, limited in their Wishlist, and negotiated. There's nothing you can do - it's commerce. But throwing, in my opinion, is more expensive.

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Sergey, 2016-11-05
@begemot_sun

С чего вам решать проблемы веб-студии ?
Если веб-студия не может превнести дополнительную пользу в отношения заказчик - фрилансер, то зачем она нужна ? Долой такие веб-студии.
Если заказчик может работать без веб-студии, то пусть работает без неё.
Если начались наезды, просто найдите себе другую "веб-студию".
Если вы не брали перед ними никаких обязательств, то и выполнять ничего не требуется.

Андрей Плетенев, 2016-11-12
@Andrey_Pletenev

Не буду касаться целесообразности вашего решения. Об этом уже много написали.
Что касается этики, мое мнение следующее:
Ваше поведение НЕ является неэтичным, поскольку:
1) Вы не нарушили своих обязательств перед студией в рамках заказа, который выполняли для нее.
2) Уход от них к вам клиента произошел не по вашей инициативе, а по инициативе клиента и из-за ошибки студии в договоренности с клиентами.
3) На вопрос студии вы ответили честно и не стали их обманывать.

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dom1n1k, 2016-11-05
@dom1n1k

Для последующих работ, по-моему, это нормально. Особенно, если инициатива была со стороны клиента (т.е. он не очень доволен сотрудничеством с посредником или просто считает его не особо полезным).
Для текущего заказа, в который тебя ввёл тот самый посредник - конечно, нет.
Но вообще на такие вопросы нельзя дать однозначный ответ. Нужно смотреть конкретную ситуацию, конкретные отношения и пр.

Юрий, 2016-11-06
@riky

ничего особенного не произошло (этично/не этично это фигня), просто вы работаете без договора и это не было прописано.
возник небольшой конфликт, в данный момент нужно думать не о том этично это или нет, а нужно решать насколько вам нужна эта студия и насколько вы нужны им, если не нужны - то скорее всего придется с ними расстаться.
если нужна - то просто извинитесь (не потому что вы виноваты, а просто чтобы смягчить) и вместе договоритесь о подобных ситуациях на будущее. причем это может быть не просто "если какой-нибудь клиент захочет снова напрямую работать - то пошлю его к вам", можно договорится в таких случаях на повышенный процент.

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sim3x, 2016-11-05
@sim3x

Етика не при чем
Есть услуго-денежные отношения
Между тобой и студией, тобой и клиентом
Если студия для тебя ключевой источник заказов, то ссорится с ними не стоит, если нет, то - всеравно
В любом случае стоило спросить у клиента, почему он не обратился к студии и передать его ответ им. Возможно они бы сделали для себя какие-то выводы

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FoxInSox, 2016-11-05
@FoxInSox

Вы уже сами ответили себе, что это не этично и не правильно. Коллективный разум в вопросах этики в большинстве случаев бесполезен и даже вреден.

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Dimonchik, 2016-11-05
@dimonchik2013

when the katas play with each other and they shoot someone, they don’t hit each other in the face / don’t cut, they just write a penalty / loss of change / game
similarly in your case: if you were burned and fired - you are ethically clean, you’re lucky - you won’t get anywhere they will take more, but usually, if a specialist is not so lucky, and you can always get a job with competitors,
if they were burned but not fired, but "hurt", then the studio believes that it is better to have 50% in a good geshefet than 100% in a lost one. Use it.

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vm916, 2016-11-05
@vm916

Only now it’s far from a fact that the studio would give you to finish it. This is a market and a business. No one owes anyone anything that is not written in the contract.

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other_letter, 2016-11-05
@other_letter

What an advanced client... I found a list of performers in a web studio, chose the top starter from the list of faces, contacted him... And then the lead rolls up to him like that - don't you know? ..
A whole wave of coincidences ;)
Actually ethics - don't care, yes. The most common situation is when an office for a corporate party does not order an agency, but contacts a quality singer directly.

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mletov, 2016-11-07
@mletov

In this situation, it is important to distinguish between the ethical and pragmatic side of the issue. What is right from the ethical side is not always logical from the pragmatic side, as well as vice versa. And then some respondents interfere with everything in one heap: "It's unethical because the studio will no longer contact you." And reputation has nothing to do with ethics. If you commit an unethical act without damaging your reputation (for example, the market is too big for notoriety to run far), then it will not become more ethical.
Essentially the thread:
Ideally, one should be a connoisseur of human souls. Put yourself in the place of web studio managers and think about how they would behave if they were intermediaries for an even larger web studio and they were contacted by the original customer. If they behaved in the same way as you, then there is nothing to bathe: to live with wolves is to howl like a wolf. But if it turns out that crystal-clear honest people work in the studio, who would say their firm and categorical “no” to such a customer and notify the intermediary, then yes, in that case I would feel like the last pig in your place.
Unfortunately, someone else's soul is dark, and you will never know for 100% "what would happen if", only on the basis of personal feelings from communicating with these people.

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FranzK, 2017-01-24
@FranzK

If this web studio is not your employer, then there is no problem. You can think about this - if the client went to the web studio, and not to you, and they would entrust the improvements to their staff member, and not to you - this would not be unethical, right?
There are no problems even if it was your employer, but you are a self-sufficient fighting unit, and at that moment you did not have a mentor or brother who made a great contribution to the work on the site.

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