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bro-dev2016-12-20 02:21:52
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bro-dev, 2016-12-20 02:21:52

How to refuse the imposition of low-skilled work?

I work with a client, I made a site for him exactly according to the layout, I haven’t paid part of it yet, since the contract is for 100% payment after uploading to his domain. Now he wants me to start filling (copying, pasting text and cutting images from Word), layout there at the level of inserting lists and headings, and cutting is enough editing tools for WordPress itself.
I tell him the cost, and of course it is high because I calculate at my rate per hour, although this is not a difficult job, but I know that it will take a lot of time. All sorts of graters began, such as handing over an unfinished project.
Is there any universal way to refuse unwanted tweaks?

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xmoonlight, 2016-12-20
@xmoonlight

If the contract work did not include work on filling the finished new site with content or it was not explicitly stated in the terms of the contract, you are not obliged to do this.
The most important thing is to always separate the stages of work: never start doing additional work. work without having fully completed the previous one and not having received for it the amount agreed in advance with the Customer.
The best option now (for the Contractor) is to create the necessary category structure and create 1-2 pages to show and explain to the Client how to do it himself in the future.

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Puma Thailand, 2016-12-20
@opium

If you get wet on your own, then just refuse to work, if you fill in the data, hire any student according to your profile, he will beat you for a penny and earn more yourself

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Sanes, 2016-12-20
@Sanes

Your problem is not that low-skilled work is imposed, but that you did not agree on this part of the work. Set the price you want. Agree, hire an employee or make filling at the price of programming.

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zooks, 2016-12-20
@zooks

And what about qualifications? If you did not initially agree on filling, then why should you do it?!
If you don’t want to do it yourself, take an advance payment and schoolchildren with minimal perseverance will fill you with pleasure.

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Jimmy Neutron, 2016-12-20
@SkyShot

It was similar. I had to argue a lot with the client about this, since almost every client believes that if he pays money (even 3 thousand), then the developer should almost kiss his ass. In the contract, I clearly stated that the site was filled at a separate fee (for example, 50 rubles for 1 position), and I also provided a full price list for filling, which included everything from a simple copy-paste from a doc file to writing articles on my own. As a result, clients tried to leave on the fact that they gave a doc file and said that they say that 80% of the information is here, and there are pictures and some kind of extra. take a description online. Here it is clear that the price was divided into 2 parts, i.e. for copy-paste from a file + web search (it doesn't matter if you spend 1 minute or 1 hour there).
So, if you do not want to fill the site, write in the contract so that you say you are not engaged in filling at the development stage and filling the site is signed by a separate agreement with separate prices. And there, if the client begins to persuade you that you are not submitting a complete project, then "poke your nose" at the contract, at the right point. And since the contract states that this is a separate service, then be a client, be kind, observe what you signed and do not be impudent.

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Oleg Shchavelev, 2016-12-20
@DetaliDigital

A very frequently asked question.
Well, the first and main question for the future. As part of the discussion of the project, the parties understood the list of works that you must carry out. They discussed, in writing, whether there is a formal letter that lists the list of work that the developer must do, that the checklist must be completed and the development is complete, and the client has the right to check the completed checklist.
The question is how much you want to do the target action to achieve the result.
Write the essence of what is happening in writing. In the letter, indicate what works are included in the amount of payment for the project. Write that as part of the discussion on the part of the Contractor, it was not possible to find out the full list of works, since these works are not core, What is the essence of your work, fill in with test content that confirms the work performed. It can be argued that filling is possible only with the content indicated in the layouts, the rest of the materials sent could not be evaluated as part of the discussion of the project.
On the part of the client, there is a clear confidence that if the work is small, then he may require you to do it, since on your part the project is 90% ready and you want payment, so it’s time to negotiate and your task is to dissuade this.
We wish you good luck, and remember that you are currently less protected than the client. But with a word you can fix everything, you need to be systemic and persistent.

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Alexey Golyagin, 2016-12-22
@webrevenue

Hard approach:
Make a backup of the site and database on your computer, and delete the site) Tell me how you see the rest of the amount, restore the site. It’s business, it’s not good to swear, they got 80% and will give 20, his toad will otherwise strangle him, which for 80% he didn’t get anything)

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Vladimir Io, 2016-12-20
@vawsan

If you are a typesetter, you've made it up - it's done. You can safely let him know that you are engaged in another more skilled craft.
But if you signed up for this - you need to rake ...

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VVB, 2016-12-20
@SEOBot

I advise How to say "no" without remorse. And they'll say...

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sisn, 2016-12-20
@sisn

Unless it was explicitly stated that YOU DO NOT DO, then the customer may well expect that this is part of the job.
The customer is not required to be a specialist.
Hypothetically:
Well, imagine that you have agreed on an operation with a surgeon.
But already when you are lying on the operating table, you will learn about the need for the presence of an anesthesiologist.
From the surgeon's point of view, this is a matter of course.
And the surgeon thinks that you and the anesthesiologist have also already agreed.
You begin to say that this is a deeply specific thing - and the surgeon should have taken care of it himself.
From the client's point of view, it is.
Therefore, I always say right away that I WILL NOT do anything that IS NOT INCLUDED in the project, where the boundaries of the project are.
After that, many clients think (they had no idea about the additional costs) about what kind of confused project they got into ....

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Maxim Kotenko, 2016-12-27
@mistik_max

Simply recommend to your customer a person who will do all this for a low fee and specify in advance all the services you provide to him ...)

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sanphir, 2016-12-29
@sanphir

protective price. Set an unreasonably high price for this work.

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Ilya Voropaev, 2016-12-30
@SV0L0Ch

It is difficult to advise something without knowing the conditions initially agreed.
In general, depending on the agreements, there are options:
- I did everything exactly according to the layout, and even if the layout had lorem ispum instead of texts, it still remains the same as in the layout and improvements for a fee
- depending on the proposed payment, it may be worth hiring a student who will do all these edits for the amount offered by the client (you will not earn, but you will not do uninteresting work and will not be in the eyes of the client a "freelance asshole" renting an unfinished site)
- try to explain to the client about qualifications and pay by analogy - he wants from a super-engineer who makes industrial systems for a lot of money to do the work of an ordinary plumber working for a bottle. Additionally, you can advise how to find a freelancer-content worker who will do these works for less money

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noys, 2016-12-31
@noys

1. If the agreement is to make up - you are not obliged. You can agree on the amount and delegate.
2. If the arrangement is turnkey, it is necessary to fill it and at the same time completely.
3. If it sounded "make a website" without details - it's better to fill it in, because "make a website" means to make a design, layout, CMS setup, content, a demonstration of working with the engine, and you can and should add a submission to search engines, registration in yandex webmaster, google webmaster, yandex metrica, google analytics, internal seo heading optimization. And you will certainly be recommended to others. A client-oriented approach has always justified itself, but it is necessary to agree precisely and clearly - this is called a commercial offer.
It is worth achieving perfection in small things and learning how to do your job at a high level and communicate as the quality of your work and the level of customers will increase many times over.

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artem78, 2017-01-06
@artem78

Why refuse at all? At least some extra money.

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