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Jinx8772021-01-11 07:04:58
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Jinx877, 2021-01-11 07:04:58

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mkone112, 2021-01-11
@mkone112

I honestly tried to read this game, but there is too much nonsense in it. If you are interested in the most profitable option, then this is admission to a normal university (usually there are 2.5 of them per city) and work ~ from the second year. And so - you didn’t even learn how to google, I doubt that you will master ... uh ... anything.

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rPman, 2021-01-11
@rPman

Educational institutions, in general, are not a place where you get knowledge, with very few exceptions (for example, you take a project / diploma and work with your curator to study your specific narrow area), this is a place:
* where you have the opportunity to get the seed of your knowledge (as a seed for obtaining a crystal - you hang a tiny part in a solution and over time it grows into a huge crystal)
Here you learn to learn . Ask why I need this knowledge that is hammered into me at school / university - so this is brain training, this process is like training muscles by performing meaningless repetitive movements and lifting weights.
* where you have the opportunity to get very little motivation to study, the logic here is something like this - you have already spent a lot of effort / money and quit in the middle of the way - it means to admit that these costs were for nothing
* most importantly, you have the opportunity to meet like-minded people, people who, like you, are spinning in this area of ​​\u200b\u200bknowledge
* and from the side - you have the opportunity to meet a wife / husband (if you are a woman), and the educational institution acts as a filter to weed out the very rednecks who are unworthy of attention (by the way, women often do this , I know an example when one lady paid for education for more than 10 years beyond the term).
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* University/Institute is a good place to find a job, usually the employer goes there for employees, very often relevant agreements are concluded with the educational institution.

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Sergey Gornostaev, 2021-01-11
@sergey-gornostaev

You need the ability to independently search and analyze information. This question is asked here weekly.

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Nikolai Mironov, 2021-01-11
@solidcreature

Good afternoon! First, respect for your dedication. Plus you ask the right questions.
Higher education is important for several reasons. The first is social, most often at the institute people find friends and future work colleagues. Social bonds are formed there that will help you throughout your later life. The second formal one, you can be a cool nugget specialist, but in large IT companies you will be weeded out even at the level of the HR department, without even being invited for an interview. The third, banal, is a reprieve from the army.
I see 2 fundamental strategies for choosing a university and studying in it. The first is to choose a cool university (Moscow State University, Phystech, Bumanka, MAI ...) and go there just for knowledge and pumping. In order to be not a linear programmer in the future, but a system architect. The second option - do not care where, for show and respite from the army. The most important thing here is to strike a balance so that you don’t get kicked out of the institute and have enough time to work. Your current skills, judging by the description, are overkill for 99% of educational institutions. It will be difficult to study in a situation if the teacher knows less than you.
In your question, you don't consider another option. Get an internship at an IT company. First, it is the transition from theory to practice. Secondly, it is understanding and studying from the inside of business processes and teamwork. Something that no university can provide. And after a few months of internship, you can find a job. In a year and a half to chop enough not to go into the army.

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Puma Thailand, 2021-01-14
@opium

But who knows, but at least the tower gives a good layer of acquaintances in the right area, this is probably its main plus.

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alexalexes, 2021-01-11
@alexalexes

Not the fact that there will be a study of the web or the language I need.

Neither colleges nor universities are designed to follow trends. You will simply be introduced to the systematized knowledge of Computer Science. What is a Turing machine, how does the central processor work, how data from an ethernet cable at the lower level turns into an http request at the upper level, how to work with graphs, how the task manager works in the OS, how memory is distributed between processes, what is the complexity of algorithms, etc. d. You will receive only that knowledge about technologies that have become fundamental, classics of the genre.
The main task of your profession will not be obtaining this knowledge, and not even the knowledge that trends give. And in order to find a customer, or get a job, where the customers you need come (preferably, they are sufficiently monetary), and serve their interests. They will need some system that will have a "do good" button, your task will be to make a "do very good" or even "super" button. The customer will not care whether you write in Python or puff, got the skills to work with backing two weeks ago or plow 5 years. If you write your product with sufficient quality and on time, then your efforts will be appreciated (it is advisable to accept only monetary estimates). This is where the philosophy of "learning more" will be.
It’s worth going to the university if you don’t want to immediately go from school to the army. At the university, it will be possible to study for 3, attend as few classes as possible, and at the same time look for a place where you can work with those same customers.

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Northern Lights, 2021-01-11
@php666

Do not listen to anyone who writes that "they teach you how to study at a university" - these are typical excuses of people who either boast of VO or understand that they have been studying incomprehensibly for many years. A lot of examples when people drop out of school and become successful programmers, entrepreneurs, and so on. IMHO, in general, there is a pattern: any person who regularly follows the orders of the system never succeeds - because this is such a type of personality - not rebellious. All great things are done by rebels and people who put themselves above dogmas and stereotypes.
If you do not pretend in life to be a programmer at Google / Apple, etc., but are ready to be an average specialist working for a business, then just study and strive to get a job. All these algebras and matans are the lot of a very narrow layer of programmers, where their work is directly related to the exact sciences. in most cases, the vast majority, programmers are macaques writing CRUD or grade 5-9 math programs.

They write on the Internet that the university program does not keep up with programming trends
Even the programmers themselves do not keep up with programming trends.
I often look at vacancies from the head hunter and have not yet met the mandatory criterion "Higher education" anywhere
Right. The employer is interested in your skills, which you possess and, as a result, the benefit that you can bring to the company. Nobody cares about a diploma nowadays.

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Maxim Korneev, 2021-01-11
@MaxLK

Read "The Art of Programming" by Knuth. I think the question of the need for education will become clear by the middle of the first volume, if not earlier. if the goal is to be a govnocoder all your life, education is definitely not needed. It is better to spend this time on honing the right skills. if the plans are a little more ambitious, sooner or later education will be needed. for example, at least in order not to ask questions here, the answers to which are obvious (I'm not specifically talking about this question).

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Saboteur, 2021-01-11
@saboteur_kiev

Higher education is precisely GENERAL HIGHER EDUCATION, and not education exclusively for IT specialists and programmers.

I don't think that backend will require knowledge of some tricky algorithms.

How many years do you plan to be engaged in backend? one? 5? ten? 40?
Do you think the backend will not change during this time? Do you think you will never work on, for example, an autopilot backend with pattern recognition?
Well, that's up to you.
But learning programming at 30+ is real and there are many examples of this.
And to study matan at 30+, if earlier even with algebra it was bad - I have not heard such cases.
A university is not a school where they pull you by the ears, weigh you in, and persuade you just not to leave for the second year.
At the university, you study on your own, teachers at best give material, but you yourself can take from them to the maximum.
Therefore, go to the university and draw from it everything that it can give, and that you can take. Including communication skills with teachers on an equal footing, including connections with classmates, including small part-time jobs with term papers and labs, including official retirement from the army.
And if you are planning to go abroad, there are plenty of juniors without their own education, no one will bother with a visa for you. Especially since recently the nuts are already being tightened.

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Viktor, 2021-01-11
@php1995

just do commercial projects, look for people on Linkedin or VK and create something with them, then come here again and post a link to your project

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