Choosing a CMS for a beginner studio in today's market?

Question

CMS

My point of view is not an expert, I will give it here only so that you understand from which side I see the situation: I am a pure backend (I don’t rummage in the frontend at all) and I want to completely move away from development, I have little managerial experience, a small client base and great desire to do your job. This is where my knowledge ends, unfortunately.
Choice between:

• 1C-Bitrix
  
• NetCat
  
• Joomla
  
• Drupal
  
• MODX
  

Selection options:

• Availability of quality themes.
  Let's say I chose Joomla 3.x and subscribed to YOOtheme, as I said, I don't rummage around in the frontend, in my opinion they are excellent, modern templates. Could there really be something wrong with them? We need the opinion of experienced front-end developers who follow trends.
  How are things with templates in other CMS? How difficult is it to buy or make on your own similar in quality, as in YOOtheme, RocketTheme, etc.? Why do you think they don't make templates for the same Drupal? Maybe it's good that they don't, but I don't understand something? :)
  
• The convenience of the admin panel for an inexperienced user and content manager.
  Bitrix, NetCat, Joomla are praised, but Drupal seems to be scolded, will there be norms in the eight?
  How are things in MODX?
  
• Entry threshold for developers.
  I'm afraid not to find good developers for MODX and Drupal, with Joomla you can get by with freelancers for the first time, about Bitrix and NetCat, in theory, on standard solutions, you also don't need a permanent programmer at first.
  
• Community.
  How are things with the community and support in Bitrix and NetCat? After all , paid products ...
  Joomla with an online community, everything seems to be ok. Drupal does too. We have a rather active Drupal community in the city, a nice human factor, they themselves complain about the lack of developers :)
  
• Extensions.
  I'm afraid to even ask how things are with additions to fresh versions of CMS. How good is the compatibility with the old ones?
  
• Ease of support and updates.
  How often do problems with updates occur? How easy is it to make minor changes to support?
  
• SEO.
  How easy is it to immediately make a site optimized for search queries?
  In general, this is a separate topic for conversation, I hope not to cause hatred in anyone :)
  
• Partners and customer search.
  Bitrix has everything clear. NetCat has an autumn promotion, quite attractive.
  If you take from the remaining free CMS, then you can look for clients over the hill, in the future this is a plus, now it is unlikely to work. It is clear that no one will tell me how he is looking for clients, but he can share some information with free access.
  

This is such a controversial choice, you have to start with business cards, catalogs and simple corporate websites and stores. Stay afloat for the first year in order to form a relatively efficient working pipeline, so that in the future, when we are ready to switch to some adult framework, there will be an airbag for experiments.
It would be nice to hear an opinion on each selection parameter, maybe there will be enough information to create a useful topic.
There are too many “likes” for me to analyze the situation myself, I need to work a lot with each CMS, this is unrealistic. Googling leaves a lot of questions unanswered. Therefore, I invite everyone to a cultural discussion. I would like to hear arguments and examples from personal experience. If you were in my position right now, what would you choose and why?

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Thanks for the leading question from edogs ! TA is a small and medium local business (word of mouth), the scheme is white. However, in the future I want to take (like everyone else, probably) a higher price segment.

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A popular review that was so lacking

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underestimated wordpress, but in vain

As a result, I chose wordpress + joomla (in different projects, depending on the templates used)

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Only wordpress remained, joomla did not take root

Answer 1

So after that, contact the studio for a website: engine-public ... template-public ... and they tear up money - at the most “do not indulge” ...

Answer 2

I would advise MODx, it is very easy to make websites, especially simple ones, literally overnight you can assemble a business card website without any special knowledge of html and php. The community has grown a lot lately, there are a lot of sites on it, I don’t think you will get lost.

Answer 3

At my last job, Joomla was used for business cards (even for complex ones). If you don't rummage around the front-end, you can look at Granty (If my boss, who has never done web development, figured it out ...). The admin panel is really user-friendly and well structured. Developers who know joomla are enough. If they don’t know, then the entry threshold is quite low. A very well-executed framework and a fairly clear file structure. Joomla SEO out of the box. CNC and metatext is created automatically, but you can also control this process. Updates have always gone smoothly, each new version is compatible with the old one. Custom code does not stop working and does not fall off. Modules also have compatibility. If there are any problems, the developer will warn. Huge bunch of modules. You can do almost everything, guest books, forums, an online store, a blog (albeit a collective one, such as habr), photo galleries, corporate portals. Well, the community is like any other popular open source product, almost like Ubuntu. In general, I would choose joomla if I were you.

Answer 4

You don’t have the most important thing in your topic – which target audience you are targeting.
Developers, designers, typesetters… staff can be found for any CMS.
It’s wrong to choose a CMS, and then walk around and ask “do you need a site on the VP”.
It is right to decide which target audience you are interested in, and then come here and ask "which CMS is suitable for this target target".
Bitrix is ​​suitable for medium-large white customers, legal entities. And it doesn’t matter if it’s a business card or a large IM. Also, keep in mind that due to the Bitrix affiliate program, it is possible to receive up to 40% of the price of the CMS purchased by customers almost immediately.
Netkat for small-medium white customers. Those who need a "brand" for various reasons, but do not want to pay for Bitrix. Again, you won’t earn money on kickbacks :)
Joomla, like WordPress, is for disposable clients or clients who need disposable sites.
Drupal is not for clients at all, it is for developers :) It's just that it's often faster (and cheaper) to write a solution from scratch than to do it on Drupel.
We won’t say anything about modh, somehow it passed us by.
For a beginner studio, we would choose Bitrix and VP, for VP reasons - to create a portfolio volume and Bitrix to create a serious image. Accordingly, two target audiences would spud - medium-sized companies in a local city for Bitrix and small freelance customers for VP. But if you are not interested in either one or the other audience, then you need to choose other tools.

Answer 5

The choice of CMS should correspond to the type of task - for example, for a WP blog, some CMF for a prospective client with the potential for further improvements, something with 1C and Yandex Market support for an online store, a file CMS for a business card (you can see Monstra).
Moreover, for each type of task there will be several solutions and, again, not every option is suitable for a particular case.

Answer 6

You asked a difficult question, everyone advises the CMS they are used to. I only worked with bitrix, Drupal and a bit of joomla. And this is my impression of them.
1) Bitrix is ​​good when, for example, you need a store, you just buy a Bitrix edition for 20k, make a template for it and that’s it, an excellent store with a convenient admin panel, a bunch of all sorts of little things, graphs and other things, you don’t need to write anything. But if non-standard functionality is needed, then trouble begins here, since this cms has the most meager documentation, so in the native api description, some functions have half of the parameters not described, and you can guess about their presence only by typing, contacting support or smoking google.
2) I have little experience with joomla, in fact they gave me a site written on it and told me to change it, of course I didn’t really like it, because I didn’t understand anything in it, a lot of plugins require payment, the devil will break his leg in the topic (again perhaps my bias and the crooked hands of the one who originally made this topic are to blame), but in general, everything I wanted, I did on it quickly enough the first time.
3) Drupal is my main cms, I chose it for a long time because of the great love of all developers, and it seems to me that I did not lose. A bunch of functionality out of the box (in the same joomla you can’t make your own type of material right out of the box), excellent themes, a bunch of plugins that add any functionality, good documentation. I make a simple business card site on Drupal in a day and I don’t understand why they say that it’s faster on the VP if layout takes most of the time, and you have to type it in any cms. If you use a ready-made theme, then most likely I would make a regular business card with blogs in 3-4 hours.

Answer 7

You want the CMS (maybe a couple) that has the largest communities.

And yes, I agree with http://toster.ru/user/rsi - a lot depends on the audience.

Here is today's, for example http://habrahabr.ru/post/202202/

Answer 8

I had a chance to work closely with Joomla, Drupal, Bitrix.
Bitrix turned out to be the most effective, convenient and understandable cms.
Joomla:
+ large community
+ free
+ many templates
- works clumsily without a file
- difficult to scale
- not tailored for Russian business in general
- simple moments are implemented for a long time
- there is no normal regular caching
- there are no cms documents that can be shown to
Drupal governments
+ free
+ excellent scalable (in the presence of direct hands)
+ convenient content presentation structure
+ large community
- not tailored for Russian business
- there are no documents on cms that can be shown to
Bitrix governments
+ very flexible
+ huge community
+ made by Russians for Russians (everything is tailored for Russian business processes)
+ excellent performance achieved through caching (if configured correctly and following all the ideologies of this cms)
+ succession of development (it is easy to modify and disassemble in almost any project made by other developers, of course, while observing all the ideologies of this cms)
+ technical support on complex issues from the cms developers themselves
+ a complete documentation package. It's nice to work with the state
- paid
- requires compliance with the rules when developing projects

Answer 9

Availability of quality themes.

The default themes are very worn out. Even with YOOtheme, RocketTheme can be found on the net, so in my opinion it is not the availability of themes that matters, but the cost of creating your own theme. Why don't they have Drupal under them? here, on the one hand, it is most likely the Drupal policy, and on the other hand, it can be more or less implemented with minimal knowledge of html & php.

The convenience of the admin panel for an inexperienced user and content manager

We can argue a lot about Drupal, but familiar content managers were pleased after switching from Joomla, but said that they were more comfortable with Wordpress.

Entry threshold for developers.

It's about the same in my opinion. But in fact, there are enough freelance developers for MODX, Drupal and Joomla.

search for clients.

Freelance exchanges, with a competent approach, allow you to quickly develop a portfolio and gain clients.

Answer 10

I would choose Joomla or Drupal 8 (it is not yet released and will be unstable at first) because of the quality of the code and openness.
Joomla components are written elementarily and without crutches.

Answer 11

WordPress
Lots of themes and plugins. Good documentation. Ease of development. Big community. Free. A clear control panel for any client.

Answer 12

Opencart and WP

Answer 13

The new version of ImageCMS has a very convenient admin panel. Demo here .

Answer 14

1C-Bitrix, if you want to get clients and make projects more expensive than 10,000 rubles. The rest of your list in a very rare case will provide an opportunity to develop.

Answer 15

Recently, LiveStreet CMS has been actively encountered. Like a good CRM for blogs.
Has anyone already tried to work with her?

Answer 16

I recently posted my development cms to the public. It seems to me that it will be convenient just for the "beginning studio". Everything is free. The cms website is here: plushka-cms.ru . Perhaps you will be interested.
>>High-quality themes
A web studio should offer a unique design a priori. If the design is template, then I personally would not turn to the services of this web studio.
>>Convenience of the admin panel for an inexperienced user and content manager.
This is one of the strengths of the engine.
>>Threshold of entry for developers
There is documentation, the code is well-written, very easy to extend.
>>Community.
>>Extensions
This is not.
>>Ease of support and updates
I do it for free and with pure enthusiasm.
>>SEO
Also one of the strengths.