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beduin012017-02-08 09:23:31
Startups
beduin01, 2017-02-08 09:23:31

What is the best way to find a job in a startup?

I position myself as a full-stack developer (adjusted for the fact that you can’t know everything). By the will of fate, last week I visited several startups and was very much imbued with their informal atmosphere and interesting tasks.
Now I understand that I want to go into a hateful regime less and less and I am ready to spend money and take risks just for the sake of a drive.
Question. What is the best way to find a job like this? On HH.ru, mostly work from companies or am I looking in the wrong way?

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xmoonlight, 2017-02-08
@xmoonlight

https://spark.ru/

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dronn23, 2017-02-08
@dronn23

It seems to me that the most correct way to look for is in startup parties.
In 2014, I was selected for the Yandex Tolstoy Startup Camp (now the project has been quieted down), there was just freedom for this kind of dating. In Moscow, there should be no problems with this, there is IIDF, you can go to harvest in tceh

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mamayama, 2017-03-17
@mamayama

It's not worth it.
https://geektimes.ru/post/147675/
The usual share (in shares - translator's note) for an engineer, frankly, is small. Nickel (0.05 percent) from a business of 80 people is nothing to be proud of. This is not a partnership or ownership. Many engineers make the mistake of believing that the very first share offer is just the beginning, and that the share will grow as they “show up”; in reality, this rarely happens.
Moreover, raises and bonuses for startups are very uncharacteristic. Getting the same salary for three years from the date of hire is quite typical for a strong specialist. (And what happens to people who aren't necessarily strong when they don't live up to expectations? They get fired, often without warning or compensation.) Significant share increases are even rarer. When a startup is doing well, the value of a share increases, and that's exactly what an increase in share is. And when things aren't going well... well, it's not the time for requests.
In truth, startup employees should value their equity and options at about ¼ of the value given to them by investors. If they are offered $25,000 in salary per year, they should only accept for a share of $100,000 (in the current valuation). If we take as a basis a $40 million company with a four-year investment cycle, then you need to ask for 1%
For startup engineers, these are: long hours of work, constantly changing requirements and strict deadlines; and all this leads to the fact that the quality of the produced code is significantly lower than if this code was written in more relaxed conditions. This does not mean that they do the work poorly, it’s just that under such pressure of deadlines it is almost impossible to do it qualitatively. So in a typical startup atmosphere, code quickly deteriorates, especially if requirements and deadlines are set by a non-techie manager. Three years and 50 employees later, what they have built is a terrifying, haphazardly assembled legacy system, “sawed” by at least ten people and built under the pressure of deadlines; and even the chief architect is not able to understand it. Yes, it was heroism to raise such a huge system in such a period of time, but to an outside observer, the system seems disgusting. She certainly does not give reasons for the increase.
Everything I said earlier about the relationship between investors and founders does not apply to ordinary engineers. An engineer who joins a company of more than 20 employees is sure to have a boss over him. And it's not bad at all. No worse or better than any other company. All this makes the advertising slogans of startups “without a boss” vs. “work for an uncle”” slightly absurd.
Scientific research is changing the world. Huge infrastructure projects are changing the world. And most firms operate incrementally, and there is nothing wrong with that. Startups are not the best engine for "changing the world". They are exceptionally good at something else: finding ways to profit from inflexible, pre-existing trends that (a) have recently emerged, (b) no one has yet thought of (or has been able to) implement. Thus, startups change the world gradually: they simply would not survive if they did not bring profit. In other words, most of them are application level concepts that fill the "world-changing" trend (for example, the Internet), but not the main engines of change. This is not bad, but people should understand that their chances of personally causing global change, even in a startup, are very small.
A common lauded startup prospect to a potential VC employee is, "This position will help you become a startup founder yourself." Frankly, this is not true. The only thing that such a job can offer is to make contacts with an investor that will be useful in the future when organizing a startup, but an engineer who, after being hired by an already funded startup, tries to contact an investor will be put out the door as an “arrogant diva”.
Here, however, lies the misconception that a startup is much more useful in terms of learning new things just for the reason that it is a startup. Yes, it has a lot of uniquely interesting work, but also a hell of a lot of dirty work, more than anywhere else. In general, a startup provides fewer career opportunities than an established, stable company. In a stable company, great people stay after five years of work, so they have more than enough time to realize their potential. Startups, on the other hand, are more concerned with hiring, marketing, and expansion than they are with development opportunities for their employees.

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ribiruby, 2017-03-10
@ribiruby

Seek and discover.
Just go through companies, go to interviews.
May get caught.

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Egor Kazantsev, 2017-03-30
@saintbyte

Throw you such thoughts - you will lose a lot of money, gain extra 15 kilograms. Saw startups yourself.

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Maxim Kotenko, 2017-02-14
@mistik_max

I think here the most ideal option would be to find the projects that interest you the most and contact their management on the topic of cooperation)

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Sergey Vorobiev, 2018-04-27
@wretchvorobiev

From IIDF just recently opened the service https://cofoundit.ru/ for job search in startups. They provide ample opportunities: you can join a startup at different stages and conditions (you can agree on a share). In general, an interesting platform for those who want to find a job in a startup.

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