Webbuilders Adobe Muse and other evil spirits of this world. What is your attitude and predictions?

Question

Adobe

Good day, dear front-enders, back-enders, and anyone except those who make sites with Muse and other garbage.
I recently noticed that a lot of people who make websites are now divorced. And he inadvertently asked himself the question: "How? Did everyone learn layout and a couple of server languages ​​at once?" Later I started to surf and discovered that 90% of site builders are non-humans who make sites on Muse and various new wysiwyg builders. I won’t go into details, but when I saw the Adobe Muse code, I just fell out: it’s just some kind of unreadable nonsense with a bunch of garbage. And when I asked the creator of the site about what cascading styles and meta tags are, I got a great mix of shouts in my direction that "websites do not need to be programmed today, this is the last century!" (this is a literal phrase of a person who has personal business card site, where he positions himself as a website building GURU, riveting a business card on muse and WYSIWYG Web Builder.
Obviously, as a person who spent more than one year studying from html, css to js, ​​php and ruby, I felt offended and unpleasant to some extent. That is why I decided to ask you, dear like-minded people, what do you think about this. Is there any chance that in the very near future, a f*ck like Muse will force out the same front-end developers? Thanks in advance.

Answer 1

As far as I know, there were such editors from the very beginning. Only earlier everyone scolded FrontPage, now they scold Muse. So what? I believe that if technology becomes more accessible, everyone benefits from it. It will become easier for ordinary users to share information on the network, and you will be able to do something more useful. We must remember that technology is not an end in itself, but just a tool.
Once upon a time, hackers said the same thing about BASIC, they say it wastes system resources for nothing - everyone should write in assembler. But not everyone listened to the hackers and programming languages ​​evolved towards simplification and as a result we have what we have. Would you be able to match the level of "those same true hackers"?

Answer 2

Won't force out. For the creation of sites by such developers is limited to these same landing pages and a couple of pages. A more or less serious project from a demanding customer will immediately baffle such a guru. Not to mention the simplest JS (like show-hide block). And if they ask for authorization - so generally the pitchfork. And as for such one-pagers, which are cross-browser and responsive out of the box - yes, you don’t have to learn anything. I bought a framework and stamp it.

Answer 3

Guys, it seems that people who consider themselves professionals in layout and code are just afraid for their asses. I recently started dismantling Muse, let's say a large site with a database, a bunch of pages, and it is still impossible to make filters on it. BYE. But people are working in this direction. And the only question is time. And the fact that the code is dirty, I agree. But at this stage, when you create business cards and landing pages, why the hell do you need even code. This will affect the speed of the one-pager so insignificantly that only the one who came specifically to notice will notice it) And one more thing, in order for the code to be cleaner, you need to work correctly in Muse, there, like everywhere else, there are nuances and tricks. The conclusion is that for each product there is a merchant. And gentlemen, let the typesetters not piss, you won’t go far without them)

Answer 4

Muse is primarily a tool for designers who can quickly layer Photoshop and show how it will look in the browser, move elements on the fly, follow links. Or for a manager who needs to quickly make a presentation on the web. It's not a layout tool (at least not yet).

Answer 5

I will speak from the side of an offended audience, so to speak.
no one takes away your programmer friends bread, but rather the opposite, sooner or later, when all the resources of the same Mews run out and the problem can be solved only by embedding JS or PHP codes, you start digging forums and asking for help from gurus like you. and usually not free. but what cannot be taken away from the Adobe designer is the most powerful visualization. and it was adobe who understood how to erase this line of misunderstanding between the designer and the coder. To be honest, for me, a dark forest is all these krakozyabry, and if there is no part of the code to cheat - yes, honestly, half my life is not enough for me to understand all this. and even more so to study from scratch - Everyone does their own thing. and that's a huge plus. I am a professional designer, but it was with the same Mews that my consciousness expanded and most of the tasks that I used to have to explain to your brother on my fingers while dancing, and after measuring that it’s still not the way it was originally intended, now I can implement it myself. AND THIS IS HEALTHY! thanks for your hard work, because the same web designers would not be available now without your painstaking and usually magical work. That's all I wanted to say.

Answer 6

Muse is a great tool for developing simple landing pages and business card websites. Yes, it is not suitable for developing online stores, portals, etc. But this is not necessary. For these purposes, there are developers. Well, making a landing page by the forces of a designer, layout designer and programmer is much more expensive - it's like hammering a nail with a microscope.

Answer 7

Theoretically, I think the entry threshold will naturally decrease. This would be the best option if you could do without a front-end at all. And I'm sure this will certainly happen someday, presumably after the discovery of artificial intelligence ;)
UPD
Faced Muse. He will never notice. The code it generates is one of the worst I have ever seen in my life. To support something in the future without him - and I had to experience it for myself, is terribly disgusting. What's there, it's just hemorrhoids, the thought does not leave me to rewrite everything from scratch myself. The only thing is that the state of the simplest buttons in it is realized by changing pictures - and you will have 10 identical buttons with 2 phases - which means it will make 20 pictures for you. It's just hell. Same thing with forms. For example, you have a landing page and on each block there is a button - a callback with the same functionality - it will make a separate php script for each. I'm already silent about what css it generates.

Answer 8

"The most powerful visualization ..." - I did not notice this. And what about Muse with canvas!?
"I'm a professional designer, but with the same Muse"... that's right after the "professional" designers in Muse, we mortal "non-professional" typesetters have to climb the ceiling to bring everything to a neat look. Not personally, of course.
According to the subject, I met only Pingendo with more or less adequate clean output code, but in any case, 20% -30% was spent on manual layout. I mean, there are no universal means - a quality product is made by hand.
There is a chance, but small. Because such software will have to take into account all the perfectionism of the approaches of the designer, layout designer and device capabilities at the same time and in one box.

Answer 9

I don’t know how perverse it will seem, but I make the pages themselves in Muse (design, buttons and other external beauty), then I export it, upload it all to the domain and manually enter the code I need into ready-made boxes and forms, connect the database, authorizations, and things like that... Probably, from the point of view of professionals and people looking at the code, it looks just wild, but otherwise, as a person who doesn’t rummage around in CSS and doesn’t know how to typeset manually, I get a very good result, and it plows as it should and looks cool

Answer 10

I write in WYSIWYG Web Builder, but this is not the limit, 20 - 30% of my own layout and jQuery, PHP, MySQL. WYSIWYG Web Builder greatly facilitates 80% of the routine work, and the layout can be added to the customer without Photoshop.
There is a result, the site works, and the opinion of professionals is in the furnace, according to the principle "Do you want to check or go?".