Should I buy a used Macbook Pro 2013/2015 or a new regular laptop?

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I want to buy a new computer, and not just any, but something really worthwhile. I would like to buy a computer from Apple. Prior to that, I already had the opportunity to work on different poppies during my studies, and I myself always had Windows computers. New Apple products cost you know how much.
There is an offer to purchase a used Macbook Pro Retina 15 "2013 for 63,000 R. The seller claims that the computer is almost like new. I myself have only seen it in the photo.
2.7 GHz Intel Core i7 /Turbo Boost 3.70GHz
16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
512Gb SSD
GeForce GT 650M / Intel HD Graphics 4000
macOS Sierra
battery: 95 W h Li-Poly
Do you think this is a viable option? A computer is needed for photo processing, comp. graphics, web design (+layout), video editing and recreation (watching movies, YouTube). Such a computer captivates with the fact that it is a high-quality assembly, ergonomics, mobility, etc. But I think:

1. one)

How long will a macbook 2013 be supported ? Suddenly in a couple of years I can not properly use the system? Can this computer be upgraded ? I mean new coming macOS. Will they be supported on such a computer?
2) After all, buying a used one is always a risk, there are no guarantees. It is not known whether it will work in a couple of days after purchase. How much more will the repair cost, if anything?
3) Maybe you should consider newer used Macbooks? For example, 2015. There, however, the price tag is higher. And for some reason I heard that for video editing, for example, a 2013 MacBook is better than 2015. Why is that? Is it the GHz of the processor (the 2015 version has 2.5 GHz)?
4) Or maybe you shouldn’t take risks with a used one, aiming at macbooks, and buy some powerful laptop from Lenovo or MSI for almost the same price? Yes, I understand that this is a completely different song. But a new thing, with a guarantee. There is no such risk.
5) I'm also considering taking a new iMac with the following specifications:
21.5", 4096x2304
Intel Core i5 3.1 GHz GHz (4 cores)
8 GB RAM
1 TB HDD 5400 rpm
Intel Iris Pro Graphics 6200
Or save up for some new macbook fifteen"?
Sorry for the confusion, but I really don’t know how to properly and reasonably deal with the existing budget, so as not to regret it later. What do you advise? The old computer is becoming more and more naughty :( and something needs to be decided.

Answer 1

The model that you are offered is the top model of the first retina 15 "12-13 years old. It is in principle relevant and will be comparable in performance with the latest poppies up to 15 years old. 16GB RAM is the maximum that is also in the latest macbooks of 16. Ati 650 discrete graphics are more powerful or comparable to the latest integrated graphics Intel Iris Pro Graphics 6200, in 21 "aimac, by the way, 16GB RAM is also the maximum, and in the latest models it is soldered and if it is nominally 8, then it will not be possible to increase it. It will support operating system updates for at least 15 years than Macs, since it is comparable in performance, but official support from Apple, spare parts, etc. ends after 5-7 years. Mac is not bad I have the same home, only less top-end, 8GB of RAM. He has one typical malfunction (a problem with discrete graphics), google on this topic, so be careful and carefully check when buying. Well, buying any used equipment is a risk, more details here:
https://geektimes.ru/post/285624/
https://www.macmachine.ru/blog/kak_ne_nuzhno_pokup...
As for analogues on Windows, alas, I’m not an adviser here), I’ve been out of topic for a long time, but I’ll say for sure that Apple makes a better product, the cost of their products is clearly higher, they do not save. I say this as a person who dismantled many hundreds of different laptops, in 2004 he began to repair.

Answer 2

For a 2013 model, if it's really in good condition - 63000 is a normal price. But I would no longer advise taking this model in 2017. The main reason is weak embedded video. The 2014-2015 models already have an Intel Iris Pro 5200, it is much more productive, comparable in level to the discrete GT 650M, but with lower power consumption. In new models, the speed of SSD increased every year. In the 2015 model, it is already 1500/1800Mb / s for writing and reading, and in 2013, most likely around 700 for writing and reading, which is also not a little, but still.
Processors in all tags after 2013 are about the same speed. A couple of hundred megahertz in different modifications doesn’t make much of a difference, there will be a slight difference in benchmarks, but in reality there will be a spacing of no more than 15% under the condition of a constant maximum load, which is a rather rare situation in real everyday work.
I consider the MacBook Pro 15 Mid 2015 MJLT2 (model with a discrete graphics card) ideal for today. But the price tag in stores for it is already about 170-180 (somewhere it may come across cheaper, but there are very few of them, because they no longer produce discrete ones). Or the same, but without a discrete one, it costs around 130-140 new. They can be found in good condition for 110-150 and 80-90, respectively, but they are not sold very much, so you need either a large city or just luck.
But this is all again if there is an opportunity to greatly increase the budget.
Powerful laptops from Lenovo, MSI, etc. they can outperform the macbook, but in detail they will lose in almost everything. There is incomparable build quality, fan noise level, keyboard, touchpad on a poppy can not be beaten at all (a mouse is not needed in principle). Using them is not so pleasant, they only make sense if you need the furious power of iron and there are no complaints about the quality of the device itself. They will have uneven gaps, bad plastic, deflections, light on the matrix, fan noise, etc., which makes the work uncomfortable. First of all, the speed of work at the computer is important to me, and not the speed of the computer. And no one has bypassed the poppy in this regard.
If you look at iMac, then you need to take a 27 "model with a 5K display and an SSD. You can add RAM up to 32GB in it (and if you find rare 16GB modules on sale, then up to 64GB). In other iMac models, the memory is soldered, and if there if there is a hard drive, then to replace it you need to disassemble the iMac very much and this requires very straight hands, and working without a high-speed SSD in 2017 is a very bad idea in general
. I don’t want to get much more expensive in terms of money, then if the poppy is really in good condition, then
63000 is the normal price for the 2013 model, but you need to check it well so you don’t regret it later. hands in good condition model of 2015, it will definitely last for a long time.
iMac - usually taken when you need it and only it. Those. there is a real need for a large high-quality screen and powerful hardware + no need for mobility. And if there is no specific goal, then it will be less convenient with him, I would not advise in this case.
I would look at plastic powerful laptops from other companies only if you need a very powerful iron, but I don’t care about everything else. In comfortable long-term work, they are not competitors to the poppy.

Answer 3

1. Only Cupertino knows the answer to this question.
2. If your new beech fails, with the Russian "guarantee" you will only get problems and a headache. Forget about the word "guarantee" in general - it will be easier to live.
3. Worth it if you have money.
4. No, you don't.
5. Quite.