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How to become an advanced site riveter (form riveter) and go to hard labor to plow for beef bun and pay for the barn?
Fuck gentlemen. I want to apologize right away for such a long vyser, but still I think that this question is so fucking hot for IT beginners who, having seen six-digit numbers on HH, drooled and ran to learn the basics of Hatemyel and Sieses. In addition, today is a day off and I am sure that there will be a nolifer who will gladly discuss with me and tell me how to live correctly. In short, sorry.
Actually a subject. How to become an advanced site riveter (mold ripper) and go to hard labor to plow for beef doshik and pay for the barn?
background. Born, like many, in the ass of the world. At school they taught me to use a shovel at -30 (Siberia), to stand still in a fashionable jacket when important uncles come with their "daughters" (the school lived on investors' money). The mathematics I needed was taught extremely disgustingly. They gave, everything that will be in the exam at the level of "Here, use this formula, then build such and such a schedule." In general, the numbers in the diary are good, the parents are happy, the teachers are too, which means I'm doing everything right. Well, about the exam. I passed the Russian language with 100 points, and now re-read this meaningless rant again. I can’t say that I was somehow lazy at school. I went to all the special stages, I did the tasks well, but only when I entered a decent institute for a macnicoder (I’ve seen enough of all the crap about how well programmers live, although now I understand how many disadvantages this profession has), I realized what a deep ass I'm in. Although, I managed to pass the exam with 282 points, I had huge problems with the matan, and now I am most likely to be expelled, since I have not been able to complete 1 subject for more than a year. For all sorts of assemblers, here and designs, I have five. As well as in humanitarian subjects. Even though I'm still a dumbass. As advised by the posons from the Internet, I "self-developed" and learned these Javas, JavaScripts (CoffeeJavaScripts), backend on Nogees and unclaimed layout, which I was already offered to deal with, but realizing what kind of competition there, I said that I want to be like posons on gyroscooters write in Engular. Although I don’t know Angular, I know React. Well, I also went through the entire Kanter, I know about 20 patterns and algorithms that were given at the university. In general, self-development did not lead me to anything.
Now I sit and think that in the end I did not come to anything. Classmates who couldn’t even get 150 points for the Unified State Examination have families, they graduate from universities (terrible universities, but they will have a crust), they thump there, they give birth to kids drunk. And what have I achieved? Spine shaped like a golden ratio? The fact that in your 20s there is no job, no girlfriend, no friends? I'm just a no-lifer who wasted my free time on all this crap, thinking that all this would bear fruit. But no, life fucked me up or I fucked myself up.
Sobsna, my question was higher, which stack to master so that you can stably rivet sites on it, and listen from cool posons on Habré what a hipster I am, and they are normal guys who do "important" things. I don’t want to deal with pure layout, there the competition is going through the roof. It would be nice if 20k rubles. raise it so that there is enough for the barn and doshiki. If I successfully settle down, then maybe I will last up to 30, until I go crazy in the region.
Sorian, one more time.
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I want to share my experience, so to speak (since we have a club of anonymous newcomers to institutions here).
If you think that you were born in the asshole of the world, then I was born in an even worse location - in a village, in the north of Tajikistan (there is such a country). From civilization here more than fucking. But I tried. Yes, we were also taught to rake with a shovel, but not at -30, but at + 40, and not with a shovel, but with our hands ... to rake cotton. Schools - primitive, computer science classes - such that watching two girls with one cup was much more pleasant than sitting there. But I didn't want to give up. I didn't want to remain non-names with $80 earnings until the endper month. And I began to learn more and more new subjects. Just computer science. Tell me, what is the chance of winning the regional Olympiad for a dude who has never worked with a computer? 0? But I won. And then two more (although a laptop was bought at that time).
Then I had a Republican Olympiad. At that time, I had knowledge of algorithms, a couple of certificates from Intuit and a shelf of Whips I read. But alas, the Republican Olympiad was a disappointment for me. No, I got a gold medal, but I was disappointed with the level of questions in this Olympiad. Imagine - the most fucked up Olympiad, and the questions of the level will write a program that calculates the factorial of the number n . Facepalm on facepalm.
Next was ege for admission. Tajik ege, to be honest, a little better than Russian, because suddenly more thoughtful. And in the end I got 525 points, while the passing one was 240. I could be wrong, but this is a record among 80k applicants. Entered the polytechnic. On the first day, I expected that I would finally get the knowledge that I needed. Fuck!
In the first month, we were taught to draw headings in Word.
The second month is a math level equation with as many as two unknowns.
3 months finally programming - the basics of programming on VB.net.
Fourth month Physics.
Then, in the fifth month, they studied drawing on photoshop.
Then we had a "programming practice" - the same thing as in the third month - VB.Net.
Then the month was ruined for economics and cultural studies.
Then there was Higher Mathematics.
And that's all for the first course. I hated these items. I hated this university, VB.net and the fucking semester and term papers. But there was no choice - either sit and suffer, or serve in the fucking army.
The second course has begun. Items closer to programming appeared in the list of subjects.
Month one - Databases - 1. In fact, designing access databases with a mouse.
The second month, a discipline more close to my knowledge - Fundamentals of Web Design. There was some kind of teacher who did not understand html and seses, programmed on a notepad with html tags from the time of 2004. I also advised to use Dreamweaver because it's a Miracle! 11. I wanted to shoot myself.
Then they went through a dissection. Since I am an inveterate algorithmic, this subject was relatively approved by my balls.
Then there was OOP. By OOP, it turns out to mean the solution of stupid tasks from the books of Zlatopolsky and Abramov in c ++.
Then there was a subject with a proud name - Visual Programming Practice. In fact, the same vb.net, again the tasks of Abramov and Zlatopotoloksky, but then gradually connected the access base. Since there was a fierce fuck up with database providers, the whole group decided to choose one version of Visual Studio and Microsoft Office (both 2010), because the code simply refused to work on other versions.
Then next month there was a subject - "database programming". The beginning was promising, the teacher even approved that I would use python, but after the first lesson, the teacher went to die in the hospital, and the dude who led the "Visual Programming Practice" a month earlier became the leader. All 16 he repeated exactly what he led a month earlier. Many even turned in their previous work. In fairness, I’ll say that the teacher was a graduate student, and often told jokes during classes (mainly about blondes).
Two subjects passed the next month - Jurisprudence and Literature. Ahuet like the right items.
After was a month of Object Oriented Pyrogramming - 2. Fortunately, in addition to solving problems from the books of Goldilocks, we ran through presentations from pediviki. It seems they were creating another class...
The next month, I had to listen to lectures on civil defense...
Then a month with a fucking necessary subject for me - a web bydlockeder subject - Mathematical isolations on Maple.
The last month of the second year was a more or less adequate teacher. She taught JavaScript, and I didn’t really find fault with her knowledge, because she herself admitted before the lecture that she hadn’t worked with JavaScriptom yet, and at the same time to learn .....
Now a month of the third course has already passed. Passed Programming on the Internett (this is the name of the subject). Essentially the same Vb.net but with the addition of ASP. Again problems from Abramovich's books. Damn... instead of making websites, we were forced to solve problems like "Given the number a and b, find which one is greater." Current, unlike Vb.Net objects before, the data was displayed on the page through risponse.wright.............
And so, you know what? None of the above two dozen subjects I studied seriously. I just handed in the work during, and sometimes cheated on the exams.
Do you want to learn how to become a normal programmer while studying at the institute? No way.You just need to get your ass up and start coding. Try to do something. No one will study for you. Download video courses on html htmlacdemia on noneymklab, go through them. Then lay out two dozen layouts. Then slowly go freelancing.
At this stage, no lust for money and girls.
In my second year, I was invited to work at the institute after class . In return, the salary is as much as $ 40 and some bonuses with studies. I agreed. The salary isn't great, of course, but bonuses are cool. Even at the same table with high-ranking teachers, there is a badge "specialist of the testing center" in the chest, you can come by car. You also play volleyball with the dean and all sorts of deputy deans.
But you can't live at 40. So I freelance at night. Now imagineget up at 6.00, be in pairs from 8 to 12, work in insta from 13 to 16. Then from 18.00 to 01.00 full-time remote work or freelancing. from 1.30 to 6.00 sleep. Vigorous fucking dream. 4.5 hours sleep. Every day. How much sleep do you Anon? And damn I forgot, I still need to prepare for an hour a day studying algorithms because the student Olympiad is coming soon. I already have a gold medal and a cup in my piggy bank, but the fucking bonuses of the winner of the ahuenna are liberation from slavery for 0.5 years and an increase in scholarships in the amount of 4 mowers.
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So, if you don't want to get kicked out of the institute and want to become a normal programmer, raise your ass and study. And the fact that you were born / live / or lost your virginity in the ass of the world should not limit you.
PS. I apologize to everyone for the foul language. .
Some teach, try, try, while others whine at the same time, complain to everyone about their bad life and thump.
You seem to have made a choice.
Now I sit and think that in the end I did not come to anything. Classmates who couldn’t even get 150 points for the Unified State Examination have families, they graduate from universities (terrible universities, but they will have a crust), they thump there, they give birth to kids drunk. And what have I achieved? Spine shaped like a golden ratio? The fact that in your 20s there is no job, no girlfriend, no friends? I'm just a no-lifer who wasted my free time on all this crap, thinking that all this would bear fruit. But no, life fucked me up or I fucked myself up.
IT beginners who saw six-digit numbers on HH drooled and ran to learn the basicsTHIS IS THE BASIC LIE IN IT! All those six-figure numbers are mostly lies! It takes years to reach these numbers! This is just a false perception of the success of a young man. This is from your bell tower sn, for example, 100,000 is a lot.
I don’t want to deal with pure layout, the competition is going through the roof therecompetition in IT will soon be such that you will work for doshirak in the literal sense. For now everyone in IT is breaking down.
Let's also answer, the same borscht was cooked in my head. Now I'm 35, I program only for earnings, and in order to go to Asia for the winter.
About personal life. Well, I was not a hellish nolifer, at the age of 20 I met a modest good girl, and I stayed with her forever, periodically quarreled at first, but still together, my son is 6 years old.
Just like the author of the post, I thought and wondered, I could not understand what to do and where to go. I went to work at about 18 and immediately rushed into the pool of php, as I lied at the interview that I knew him. I had to find out. Then, of course, there weren’t many options for what to learn, since there wasn’t anything from modern technologies yet, even jquery. I mastered php and javascript and then swam wherever my eyes looked, quitting about once every 2 years (it turned out that way, I didn’t plan to) and getting a job in large companies for such a vacancy as a "website specialist".
When I left work, during breaks I sat at home for 2-3 months, preparing my "startups" in an attempt to earn money. Somehow. Well, at least somehow, but do not go to the office. NOTHING worked at all. Although I even made one site, it had 2 thousand people a day. But time was ticking, there was no money, and I again went to look for a job. Because my wife, I can’t completely hiccup at home on bread and water.
And at one of the places I really stayed, as much as 5 years. I came there as a bitrix specialist (which I did not know at all). But I got used to it and mastered Bitrix somehow myself. Good company, salary is good too. Well, somehow I sat and sat, reading books on self-growth and improving your life and how to get rich.
And so it all happened to me one day, all of a sudden, that I had a crisis. But it didn't just start. Any crisis is born after real shocks, usually when a person suddenly realizes how shitty he is.
I went looking for a job as a PHP programmer for twice my salary. Well, like, I'm doing PHP, Bitrix is in PHP, I'm not shit, I'm done, I'm handsome. And suddenly it turned out that I'm such a crap that I can't answer questions about OOP and version control systems at the interview ... Fiasco.
I realized that this is just pipets, something needs to be done. I decided to quit smoking, I lost 10 kg, I jumped with a parachute, I got a job in a company that makes websites on Bitrix as an ordinary programmer. The director - a guy of my age, about 30 years old then, inspired by his work, promised me a salary of 80 at least. I got 30 in the first month, 40 the next month. My probation ended and he said "Well, your probation is over, next month you do this project and you will receive 50 thousand."
And I'm like this all the time, you know? I'm losing weight, I haven't smoked for two weeks, I jumped with a parachute, I'll be released from the bondage of my previous job, I was looking for a salary from 70! And then a whole month of a VERY dreary project and 50 tr. The project budget is 250 thousand, and they will give me 50 of them! And in fact I will make the site entirely, the manager is an asshole, the designer is a brake, the coder does not know what bootstrap is!
I left and hung up on Avito on sites.
And a day later I got a call from the first clients who needed to redo the menu on the site. Site on Bitrix. There were also different clowns and different projects, a lot of junk work, but the money is dripping and I am a remote worker, everything is ok.
And I kept sitting on the avd.ru site, reading travel reports, that kind of hobby. And then the wife says, "Why don't we also go to Thailand for a month?" And I'm like, "Damn, but what if it's true ??? And why for a month ????" And we left for the first wintering for 4 months. It was not very easy financially, there was money back to back, I did not understand how to organize work, how to look for clients without the opportunity to call me. But somehow we had enough.
And I understood everything. What I want, where I am moving, how to work and how to be in perfect harmony. I realized that I want to travel in the winter at sea. This requires money (small, but still). I understood who pays money and who does not pay. Money is paid ONLY by those who need your services in order to earn money from it. I also realized that they pay VERY with a scratch, when you have already completed everything for them. What you need a portfolio, what you need to be a specialist in some area that the BUSINESS needs. I chose Bitrix, but I don’t advise you, I just got on this slippery path a long time ago and now clients find me themselves, I’m already like a pro in it.
Well, besides that, I'm already 35, I've learned a lot in life, I've learned not to trust myself, to look at myself as another person - lazy, weak-willed, not wanting to work. I know when I'm working - when the DEADLINE is TOMORROW. On the other hand, I am less disappointed in myself, I am honest with myself, I know that I am shit, although quite smart due to my profession - I still work with my head.
So, my advice is to choose something that the business will need and look for clients in it. Any popular system used by business in Russia is money. 1C, Bitrix, CRMs are popular... Everyone will always pay for what is needed to make money - advertising, staff search, business optimization and development systems (CRMs, 1C), rental of premises, etc.
Turn everything else into a hobby - it will burn out so well, no, no.
Now I sit and think that in the end I did not come to anything. Classmates who couldn’t even get 150 points for the Unified State Examination have families, they graduate from universities (terrible universities, but they will have a crust), they thump there, they give birth to kids drunk. And what have I achieved? Spine shaped like a golden ratio? The fact that in your 20s there is no job, no girlfriend, no friends? I'm just a no-lifer who wasted my free time on all this crap, thinking that all this would bear fruit. But no, life fucked me up or I fucked myself up.
Is it worth it to go into the IT industry at the age of 20 if your skills and knowledge are equal to 0?
1) if you are addressing the community, speak its language (normal Russian or English). This also applies when talking to employers. (this is not a notation, but a wish)
2) do you have a portfolio with finished works (not like "Hello world") and H-projects on github? for example, at least like this
3) at 20, we are all little Napoleons who want the sun to revolve around us, and not us around the sun. But for employers (and in general, those who give money) 20 years old automatically says that a person is still "green", although this may not be so. Prove it!
4) "know-read" != see the result. Look through the eyes of "employers": you (the employer) - give (conditionally) $ 250 for a simple program. After 10 minutes, you have 50 applications (you just posted an ad) from Indians who are ready to do it and for 10 dollars. Why would you look for a freelancer who does not have a certificate, diploma, work on github, portfolio, ready (without bargaining) to do for $ 250? a?
5) you don't need to know 30 languages and be able to write "Hello wolrd" in them. It is better to know perfectly 1-2 and be able to write your "tanks"
You just need to work, work and work, earning a reputation and a resume, and then they will work for you. I also had problems, but usually they are all solvable. As for those around them, everyone has their own way, someone gets married at 40, and someone at 40 already manages to get a divorce 3 times - this is not an indicator. I think you just need to find your purpose in life and go for it.
learned these Java, JavaScripts (CoffeeJavaScripts), Nogees backend and unclaimed layout
Sobsna, my question was higher, which stack to master so that you can stably rivet sites on it, and listen from cool posons on Habré what a hipster I am, and they are normal guys who do "important" things.
The midlife crisis is now in schoolchildren and students???
However
Life is shit. It doesn't matter if you're a galley worker or a cash register in a magnet. Find yourself a broom and fuck it hard, if it's still worth it.
Chew you piz ****. A person who knows node and react will not ask the question "where to find a job". He will go and find. When I went freelancing and I was tired of competition, I found a new office in 3 days. 3 CARL! And I get there not 20 or 30, but 40-60. And even these figures for the middle front are baby talk. I don't know React, I don't know Angular, I find it hard to write without jQuery despite the fact that I can write everything imaginable in a browser. And although I wrote my build configs from preprocessors, used some basic nodejs modules, their methods, I will never turn my tongue to say that I know nodejs.
Judging by your question, you don't know anything. If it seems to you that the layout is unclaimed - think... maybe it's YOUR layout is unclaimed..... How to become a normal specialist? Fuck layouts. All free time to write, write, write, look for ready-made gulp assemblies so that one is better than the other and rewrite on them. Write more and more layouts, complicate your tasks with complex interactive js-animations (GSAP, snap.svg) and not ask a srach with water questions on the toaster, in which 50% water and 50% ***.
PS, the paradox is that when you start getting more or less normal money and you are given more and more difficult tasks, you begin to understand that it’s not about them
Just don't trust people. Many people also told me how they raised more than 50k on the stock exchange, on layout alone. Then I crossed paths with them in life and it turned out that they were just bullshit. Basically, their income was $ 200-300 maximum, and 50 thousand came out in one month once in a lifetime. Although I honestly do not understand the meaning of this lie.
Author, get a job as a junior in the office where they will take you. If you rummage, in six months, either the salary will be raised noticeably, or you can easily change your job to a decently paid one. And then - more.
Do not rush to the capitals. In 3-4 years, again, if you rummage around, you will get a remote job in a Moscow company. Capital salary, provincial expenses, very convenient)
It was like that for me. I think many here.
And don't be shy about freelancing after work. In addition to money, there you can get a great experience.
After working as a developer for several years, I was convinced that this is the same profession as many. There are no super profits here, its difficulties, pluses and minuses.
But there is one nice thing - you can work remotely for quite decent companies and win due to the difference in salaries. Roughly speaking, you work for a Moscow firm for 100k, while you yourself live in the provinces for 20k. 80k net plus) True, I have not been able to effectively work remotely because of my gouging, but sooner or later I will learn this. The same can be said about freelancing.
As for the stack - if it's remote, then it's better to get away from layout and rivet projects in PHP using some kind of framework (I use Yii2).
...and if you want to earn money, there are plenty of great places where you can do it faster and better. The same business. (with)
Hey!
Of course, it’s too late to start life from scratch at 20, too late ...
But still, I suggest paying attention to Bitrix. The main thing is that you don’t need to learn anything, neither matan, nor rekats with YI material, especially “pohepe-oope”. It is enough to know foreach, print_r and sometimes var_dump. And that's it. Life is good. This is success! You will be "arResult-am chief arParams-am commander".
psWhat? eb moved to a toaster?
You need to do one thing and promote your personality, proving your worth (following PR) with your knowledge.
The minimum is a personal website, a blog, a portfolio of projects, pieces of paper (certificates, etc.).
learned these Java, JavaScripts (CoffeeJavaScripts), Nogees backend and unclaimed layout,
In general, self-development did not lead me to anything. I could boldly thump and go to the registration and the result would be the same.
Dude, look what a kiosaki quadrant is.
If you want money and be a riveter, then these things are incompatible by definition.
Fatty.
Looks like the style of ebanoe.it , but even there everything is usually a little thinner
If you don't like programming, then why go into IT at all?
IT is the area where you need to study every day, where new technologies and their combination appear.
If now there are 100500 technologies in IT, then in 10 years there will be 100500 * 100500 of them :)
It is clear that it is simply not possible to know and be able to do everything right now, but you need to comply then you will be in demand.
The fact that there are a lot of technologies in IT is not a disadvantage, but a huge advantage, you can choose the area you like.
It is absolutely necessary to finish the tower, without it now it will definitely not be worse at all. I will say more, it would not hurt to finish a master's or postgraduate study. The tower will help you in general development and many items that now seem ridiculous to you and not needed in the future can really help.
You had very good inclinations, and if you still knew higher mathematics, physics, then you would not have had a price.
And you will always have time to sleep)) Don't have
a girlfriend? So start it - what's the problem then :) Maybe in communication?
Go "in people" to exhibitions (not necessarily IT topics) ... Perhaps then friends will appear.
Believe me, at 20 years old, life has not even begun yet.
I am a schoolboy, 15 years old, I raise 25k (I use a computer 1 hour a day) on freelance, people are ready to pay on freelancer.com for nonsense that is googled for 5 minutes. lol
I think for a start you need to work on self-esteem and the prism of world perception, 20-30k for a normal IT specialist is one time to go on a date with a girl... Do not be afraid to set big ambitious goals and claim serious six-figure numbers and the world will respond to you - be sure!
Stop complaining and accept what you have come to as a valuable lesson. If you passed it, then it would have to lead you not to the question you voiced, but to the thought that Vyacheslav Polunin well formulated: “You need to deal only with what makes you “tingle” inside. Find this and replace your hard labor with life .
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