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Dmitry Esin2016-03-23 09:25:21
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Dmitry Esin, 2016-03-23 09:25:21

Why does the desire for ordering lead to more entropy and take away strength?

I have a question (or a request for advice) that is "metaphysical" =)
At a certain period of life, cognitive dissonance arose: I try to streamline everything, structure chaos, but it is not possible to take into account all dependencies and systematize everything-everything-everything according to a single template (this does not apply to only development, galp task settings, project file structure, development, etc., but in general life goals and personal time management).
This zeal for ordering only leads to more entropy. In addition, it takes a lot of energy and leads to stress.
I studied many methods (Alan Lakein, Gleb Arkhangelsky, Konstantin Baksht, Stephen Covey, etc.) and based on them I created a relatively simple structure for myself in Evernote, where I wrote down my main life goals, and a plan for years / months - when and how I will reach them.
So I think it's time to overcome something in yourself - give up on streamlining things and stop striving so much for consistency or just keep more light plans for yourself, change the methodology.
Maybe in the course of its development, someone faced such an inconvenience?

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Puma Thailand, 2016-03-23
@opium

What kind of garbage are you suffering from, have you tried just doing it?

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di23, 2016-03-24
@di23

From time to time, I, like you, get stuck on the topic of ordering everything.
What I just didn’t try, what I just didn’t read and what I just didn’t do. Sometimes it was even cyclical, first rushing to one method, then moving on to another, then to a third, and then returning to the first again. And so always, for 5 - 6 years, I don’t remember exactly.
Now I have come to the conclusion that the best system is the one that works, works easily, naturally and naturally, like the right hand. And I'm afraid there's bad news for you now... This means that ordering everything is inefficient and wasteful.
The brain and our body as a whole is not mathematics, but biology. Relationships are built randomly. The efficient chain gets stronger. Where the connection is not strong, other ways are sought, how the river finds its channel, although it is winding, but for the river this path is the most effective. I hope you get my point.
Move on. Due to the fact that connections are built randomly, you should not force your brain to work according to one technique or another. Technique should help, not destroy your formed processes. Accept what works most effectively, even if it looks like chaos. Your brain knows better what is chaos and what is not. Improve everything gradually, slowly, honing processes.
In essence, you are creating a hybrid that only works with you and your brain. Not replacing your brain, but, as it were, an extension of it, additional neurons or limbs that you can move.
If you leave the abstract world, into the real one. This means that you will have a bunch of different applications that help you in everyday affairs, it is not surprising if you have several TuDusheks at once .... Now I counted how many I have, it turned out to be 4 pieces. Moreover, all of them also act as information custodians. And how many different information custodians I use ... it's better not to count.
Moreover, all this works effectively, the necessary information is found extremely quickly, despite the external chaos. All this because my brain has grown into the system and has become an integral part of it. Like a password, like a key, like a processor processing chaos and ordering it in the mind.
Here's exactly how it works for me. I hope there is enough "metaphysics" in my post and you enjoyed it. ))) I did my best. )

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Andrey Titov, 2016-03-23
@titov_andrei

To take a real life example, you are trying to control the rain. And this is labor-intensive, so a person controls the flow of water after rain. Try and you manage not current activities, but direct the planned consequences in one direction or another, like drains from roofs or storm systems on roads. Otherwise, blockage, congestion, puddles, dirt and disappointment.

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Andrey Ermakov, 2016-03-31
@mazah

For several years I had the same disorder (yes, unfortunately this is it), just like you.
But at the same time, I could not let go of all my affairs, goals, thoughts, and came to the following:
And this is how it looks ⤵︎
So I get:
PS: it is important to note that this approach is effective for me, because I developed it specifically for myself. And problem solving and academic performance is a very individual thing. But I will be glad if I could somehow help or suggest. You can email me if you need more help)

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Denis Dmitriev, 2016-03-31
@delphius

This phenomenon is wonderfully described in the bestseller by psychologist, Stanford professor and simply beautiful girl Kelly McGonigal called Willpower. How to develop and strengthen . The problem lies in human psychology, many things described in it will help answer your question.
Also pay attention to The way we work does not work ... , a book by the famous American journalist and writer Tony Schwartz .
And for a snack, the quintessence of all of the above, presented as accessible as possible and step by step - Defeat procrastination , by the leading European specialist in the field of personal development Peter Ludwig .
Do not pay attention to the titles (it's all tied to psychology, that's why the books have "selling" titles), because the essence of the processes and phenomena described in these books is considered purely from a scientific point of view, with numerous studies and experiments, i.e. this is not "motivational water", but confirmed data and facts that not only answer your question, but also give specific practical recommendations on how to avoid this phenomenon.
PS I did not have time to unsubscribe, as Megamind sent an article just on this topic! Coincidence? I don't think so!)))
PPS I took a link from the comments to the article to a review of Kelly's book

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Andrey Larin, 2016-03-31
@engine9

I will be brief. Ordering chaos is an expenditure of energy and time. If you try to streamline every piece of paper and every paper clip, energy costs will tend to infinity. Make yourself a plan and method in the most general terms.
But something tells me that your problems are by no means in the methodology of work, but in unrealistically high demands on yourself.

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Vov Vov, 2016-03-23
@balamut108

Good afternoon, Dmitry. The fact that you are engaged in goal-setting in itself is wonderful and will certainly lead to results. As for structuring everything and everything, then of course you need to know the measure in this.
In the surrounding world, there is solid entropy and everything works great even without a person, i.e. all natural ecosystems are, in fact, self-ordering chaos. In my opinion, the most important is the focus on the goal (!) and reflection, and everything else should either not be streamlined at all, or streamlined according to the residual principle, but at the same time do not forget about goal setting as the basis of strategic planning.

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Alexander Skusnov, 2016-03-23
@AlexSku

I propose to follow not the data (knowledge, structure), but the time, i.e. what can i do today? Select only a couple of areas (to formulate a priority, for example, for work). Dilute with rest (walks or physical exercises in the fresh air, reading books (for a short time)). Do not forget about communicating with friends (not often, as a result of what has been done).

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Artem Silantiev, 2016-03-23
@AntiStream

Why is it impossible to take into account all the dependencies and come to a single pattern? Because it was not possible to find and comprehend the ideal formula that would fit everything? But that doesn't mean it's impossible. For me, the formula is so simple, it is the formula of the receiver and the source of information, and you just need to understand who is the receiver and who is the source, and in time to become the second. Why are problems created within the system? Just because there is no unity, and the system tends to chaos. From what it turns out that such a statement that it is impossible to take into account all dependencies comes from precisely those processes that increase the entropy in the system. Why make such hasty and ill-considered conclusions.
As for goal setting, it should be adequate to life and its understanding, if you set a goal, but you cannot fulfill it and make the transition from one state to another, then there is an inadequate understanding of life, which is just apparently caused by the inability to connect everything correctly into a whole.

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Roman Grigoriev, 2016-03-28
@rameer666

As my friend, a nuclear physicist, said:
"The more you know, the less you know."
To put it simply: learning new things always gives rise to even more new ones.
This is the value of a person who is constantly learning something: he can accept the fact that there is no limit to perfection and not be stressed by it. As I understood from your question, you are having difficulties with this.
How do you imagine the end goal? Is everything lined up? Or is there a system that sorts the input data and, again, puts it on the shelves? Well, maybe you don't need to sort anything and you are in a space with zero entropy?
Whatever the answer to this question, you must first change yourself: first of all, filter the events on the input, not on the output. And yes, do, do and do. Reduce entropy in any way possible.
I recommend reading The Four Hour Week by Tim Ferris :)

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neochar, 2016-03-31
@neochar

I noticed that entropy is present in life no matter how much you try to streamline it. It just needs to be taken for granted.
It is obvious and unambiguous that planning and setting goals, as well as following them, gives much greater results than simply doing all the tasks that appear during the day.
I made the following decision for myself:
- I do business in Checkvist
- I have a @todo list with a list of "today", "tomorrow"
- every evening I compare my plan for "today" with what I did, and also make a plan for tomorrow day
- I record it on the recorder, send it to my mail
- I set myself about 4-5 tasks, because I know that in the course of time there will definitely be more tasks that will definitely take time (someone broke something, there were questions, a request to the site, in short, fierce entropy)
- among the tasks there are both urgent (related to earnings, family affairs, whatever) and at least one, but important (work with a project, training, development, in general from any list of important things)
- in the morning I go to the post office, delete the trash without reading and open I listen to my letter and listen to what I did yesterday and what needs to be done today
- I transfer yesterday's completed tasks from the "today" list to the "done" list (if you have a pro version, you can transfer them directly as a group)
- I add today's tasks to the "today" list and / or transfer them from the "tomorrow" list, while I mark urgent ones in red (key 1), important ones in blue (key 2) - these are checkvist features
- during the day, if tasks appear , I add them to the list "tomorrow"
A very simple way that greatly simplified my life and more or less understanding of what I'm doing and where I'm going in general)
PS: when I write to the recorder, I list all the tasks from memory so as not to dull it
PPS: also recording on a voice recorder helps to hear flaws in diction, you can also indirectly work on it))

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uvelichitel, 2016-03-23
@uvelichitel

Good movies, good books, good music, pretty ladies help a lot.

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Andrey Alekseev, 2016-03-23
@Aniriksiy

"Maybe in the course of their development, someone faced such an inconvenience?"
Believe me, your life is already completely ordered. Perhaps your order is not quite ordinary and different from what you imagine it to be, but it is 100% ordered and subject to a certain routine and cycles.

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xmoonlight, 2016-03-24
@xmoonlight

And who said that it is necessary to order something?!
Just something: you need to make binary dependencies using the weight significance of factors within one node.
Immerse yourself in the world of neural networks and decision-making systems - it should help.

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RedJedi, 2016-03-28
@RedJedi

When you define classification features (the principle of ordering), the set of which seems logically justified to you, when analyzing the real elements of the set, it turns out that often one element has two or more features that are important to you at once. Having come across such a contradiction, you return to the revision of the principle itself, and so on until, as a result, you get N classes out of N classified objects, and this is the original set. All the work has gone to waste! while the analytical part required a lot of brain effort and time.
The problem can be solved, firstly, by strictly limiting the sample to one feature, i.e. exclude the possibility of intersection with other sets, and secondly, if you are trying to make several classifications according to different features, you must strictly determine the priorities of these features.
But how you will rank the priorities depends only on your life values ​​(or the goals of the project, if we are not talking about life in general).

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Gleb Demchuk, 2016-03-31
@gleb_demchuk


This zeal for ordering only leads to more entropy. In addition, it takes a lot of energy and leads to stress.
... a structure in Evernote, where I wrote down the main goals of my life, and a plan for years / months - when and how I will achieve them.
Understand your own life “mission”: why and why do you do what you do?
Understanding your own mission will give you an understanding of your path and how to fit into the surrounding chaos or change it.

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lyocik, 2017-06-07
@lyocik

As William Penn said: "Time is what we most desire, but, alas, we use the worst." A person who has unorganized time experiences anxious feelings, so we always try to set time limits. I liked the following article https://goal-life.com/page/kniga/erik-bern/organiz... about the organization of free time according to E. Berne, if anyone has already read his work, I am sure that you will be interested. If not, I highly recommend it.

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