Why do old-school electronics scold arduino?

Question

Arduino

They say that this is for kids, but they don’t really argue their statement. Can someone explain?

Answer 1

Everything is correct, with some reservations. main disadvantages
1) govnokod. if you use the native application, the firmware turns out to be extremely crooked. hence the wretchedness of work in terms of speed, the wretchedness of the work of libraries (joint work of several), the wretchedness of the "programmer" growing on this feces, the wretchedness of the operation of the device as a whole.
2) detachment from iron, distortion of ideas about its work. an extremely poor tool to start learning about controllers. the most bearded and epic example of jelly in the heads of "programmers" - 99% are sure that all arduin models (respectively, their "central" chips) have analog outputs .
3) the lack of development in learning and the incentive for independent work, the stupefaction of the user as a whole. digitalPin high works equally well on uno- and due-, while the first is the ancient atmega and the second is a controller with a cortex-m3 core and a short datasheet of 1500 pages. buy a KAMAZ to fill your cat with a tray.
4) very strange, but the presence of a community. just from the statistics there is a sufficient number of adequate user engineers of this platform. there is also a sufficient number of the same non-user engineers, but working with this hardware for money. conditionally, a couple of percent of users produce most likely 100% of all modules and / or libraries + Chinese stamping ---> see clause 3, but not with regards to hardware, but to the entire platform as a whole. Why do you need to learn and invent something if you can buy 3 ready-made modules, including 3 libraries and the "device" is ready.
5) shit quality. andrunno form factor does not imply use other than desktop. in the finished device - do not shove. in a prototype that will be "reliable" in operation - do not shove it. you can’t assemble any custom circuits - pls-pbs connectors become loose with constant use and with a large circuit on a bredboard, you can move the wires for hours looking for a bad contact. all this can be multiplied by the trash components from the rank (who buys originals from us for 20 euros?)
6) distortion of the "image" of the profession. any autistic person will assemble a Wi-Fi lock with an ethernet shield and a bluetooth kettle in 13 minutes, despite the fact that the manufacture of "adult" electronics will take a week or a month. at the same time, in populist articles, the results obtained are presented as comparable. those. uncle studied and worked for 10 years to design correctly and well, and the schoolboy assembled an analogue while sitting on the toilet. at the same time, they forget to compare quality / functions / reliability / manufacturability, and uncle bakes.
the main source of raids is item 1, item 2, item 6.
in general, this is an interesting craft for hobby and rapid prototyping. very useful in many situations.
you can also (should) look at the attitude of more developed colleagues from Western countries to this - there it is presented precisely as a designer for a hobby, no "engineers" grow out of this feces.
Another fairly illustrative example - relatively often in freelance projects (in the west) there are tasks like "I made a prototype and it works. I want to transfer it to real hardware." this is a very correct approach.

Answer 2

They just don’t like that everything is so simple, before they were tormented by getting radio components (c / f Ivan Vasilievich changes his profession, a man with a jacket), it was probably very difficult to code and search for information, but now a friendly interface, what details you want, the Internet is full of information . It seems to me that they swear a little envy and a desire to appear more severe than today's arduinists.
This is purely my opinion

Answer 3

but they don't really substantiate their claim.

How is this not argued?:
https://geektimes.ru/post/255422/
https://geektimes.ru/post/255760/

Answer 4

Everything was written correctly here by the previous speakers, with the only exception being that it is a calla.
Starting to study the operation of the MK from scratch without an arduino is like death, you need to know so much at least in general terms. Yes, this is a constructor that allows you to gain some experience in a simple form, and it is with arduino that it is best to start learning MK. The ease with which you can create a prototype device reduces the minimum threshold for entering and familiarizing yourself with technologies in the fields of electronics and programming and allows even a child of about 5th grade to join. And the most important thing is to generate interest ... Do you remember in the first grade you studied sines, logarithms and integrals? Hardly ... rather, they learned basic arithmetic operations: addition and subtraction on sticks ...