Why are Development salaries so low lately?

Question

Career in IT

Recently, looking at vacancies on HH, I increasingly notice a decline in salaries, and we are not talking about regions 1000 km from the capitals, but about Moscow and St. Petersburg, here is one example, spoken English for 60k?

Relatively speaking, the average junior is about 30-40k, the middle is about 60k-70k, and in addition to all this you need to have at least 2 years of experience, when in parallel, in other areas of construction, police, army, etc., the salary without experience is closer or even higher than these values.
I would like to hear the opinion of developers with experience: what do they think about this. That is, in fact, the knowledge gained is valued absolutely in no way. Most of the acquaintances who graduated from those universities have abandoned this topic, because. didn't see the potential in it. Why go now for 30 thousand, if you can go to the same McDuck or the police without special knowledge and every second training.

Ps just a flight of thoughts, because I understand that, if something happens with the current job, you can get stuck with the job search for a long time. I think this problem is relevant for both beginners and already old-timers.

Answer 1

Lol what do you want?
Instead of people who came to IT by calling and achieved success through many years of hard work, backed up by true fanaticism and love for their work (I mean it to myself, yes), a herd of frankly stupid and narrow-minded white people rushed into the sphere, who sucked on propaganda from course instructors about "three hundred Thousands of people remotely on pekhep not pushing, "and look around - you can’t even convince these boobies, they firmly believe that in IT they give out money just like that and that the web is lying under palm trees with a Makpuk and drinking cocktails served by mulattos. In fact, instead of the Maldives - Khrushchev, instead of Makpuk - wretched Khlaomi, and instead of mulattos and cocktails - mother with tea from a bag.
And yes:

relatively speaking junior average about 30-40k

15-20k. Rubles. In the metropolis. In a galley with a full load.

Answer 2

Crash asked me as an "expert" to speak out, I'm not an expert, but there is an opinion.
All these misunderstandings of your salaries are an infantile perception of reality, because on YouTube (or in some comments) you are constantly told that in IT "without straining" you can get 100500 million.
This is not a bad reality, the reality as it was, and remains so. It is your castles in the air that are crumbling against reality. Understand already, finally, if there are salaries in IT comparable to the salary of a State Duma deputy, then 99% of programmers do not shine. As a rule, these are people who write in low-level languages ​​like C and have 10+ years of experience.
In the screenshot above, the salary is up to 90 tr for knowledge of html-css-php, nothing supernatural, the usual salary for the voiced level. Why did you decide that you deserve to receive 150 or 200 for a similar stack of requirements?

I would like to hear the opinion of developers with experience what they think about this

OK. Listen. This area is complete bullshit. Both in terms of money and prospects.
Coding after 35 is hell.
Knowledge disappears, job requirements mutate and/or grow. We did not have time to finish the project on the version 6 framework, version 8 has already been released. And so on without end. Didn't learn a new framework - you're flying into the cold. If you don't know modern technologies (didn't study them in your free time) - you fly into the cold.
You are completely right that

why go now for 30 thousand if you can go to the same McDuck or the police without special knowledge and every second training.

Finally, it dawns on you that you are not an elite, but simply hired laborers on an average salary with monstrous industry requirements for the applicant .

when in parallel, in other areas of construction, police, army, etc., the salary without experience is closer, if not higher than these values

it is truth too. But you know what's funny? Any IT specialist who has worked in IT and managed to "grow up" within the framework of this work will NEVER get into either the police or construction. Let's say I'm - I'm 38 fucking years old and I've been in IT all my life. I have nowhere to go. Nobody will take me, my age is under forty, all prospects are closed. You have to go to the police or to the construction site at the age of 20+. So there is a trap here too - a person without a proper Cop or construction education, aged and without an appropriate background, even there no one will need them.
So you need to choose a profession according to your mind, and not according to gossip from the Internet.

Answer 3

Don't even know...

Answer 4

so why did you write an HTML layout designer in the search? )))

Answer 5

Eee... and where is the Development ?
Since when did our web macaque become a developer ? For a typesetter, this is a good vacancy - because Peter was also thrown over for knowing English, apparently English-speaking clients. Maybe you should look at normal development vacancies?
And of course, Ronald McDonald and the Northern Lights burn with napalm. And I completely agree with them.
You can make money in IT. But if you think that money will fall on you from a helicopter here, you are mistaken. This is almost always daily hard mental work, this is the endless improvement of one's knowledge - because IT does not stand still
"... - With _us_," said Alice, breathlessly, "when you run as fast as you can for a long time, you
will certainly end up in another place.
- What a slow country!" said the Queen.
run _as fast as you can just to stay in the
same place! If you want to get to another place, then you need to run
at least twice as fast!..." (C) Lewis Carroll "Through the Looking Glass"

if you can go to the same McDuck or the police without special knowledge and every second training.

Go. Someone should shout "free cash desk" and beat the faces of liberals :)

Answer 6

Aha-ha, but I have "recently in Development" there is only an increase in patches.

Answer 7

The key phrase in the entire vacancy is "Layout of sites according to templates and integration with CMS", for such work they often pay 30-60k, but here they threw it a little, most likely for spoken English (although it is not clear why they should, in web studios this is usually not required) . Knowledge of PHP + MySql in this company most likely needs the most minimal. JavaScript is also the bare minimum, I suspect only Jquery, no React/Angular or pure JS.
Look at vacancies with higher requirements, there are much more interesting salaries.

Answer 8

Normal salary in your topic, 90t.r.
You thought you learned how to typeset and print in php, and learned English, then you owe 200t.r?
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Money for IT development is taken from the money that the company receives from the sale of products. There is a crisis in the economy, shopping centers are half empty, sales have fallen several times, and do you think programmers have something to pay? They pay what they can.

Answer 9

60-90k is not enough for a workbench? .. even with knowledge of English. at a colloquial level... yes, you, my friend, "have had a bite", apparently) that's when an "information technology specialist" is "generously" offered 14k a month... a php-developer - 25k..... that's f*** *) and for 60-90k I would gladly go to make up) otherwise the more such "generous" offers for 14k are found, the more disappointed I am ...

Answer 10

With such requirements, it is quite possible to find in the region.

Answer 11

Well, here the vacancy is simple, make up and pull, take what is more difficult will be more expensive

Answer 12

Apparently, all supply / demand has such a trend. As for the proggers, it's even funnier, since it's difficult to determine the qualifications at first glance, even the fucking php php is different, and what can we say about all sorts of frameworks!
I hired an admin for the server - a ton of show-offs, but it turned out that another yum update -y, for a long time a pehepeshnik needed to tie the payment system to the store, so the pepper charged $ 15 / hour, but it turned out that there were only a couple of lines to add.
In short, a career in IT is hellish work, a lot of daily lessons (because everything changes before our eyes) and, in principle, is not worth devoting life to it. Well, the money is definitely not there.
[Almost]

Answer 13

At a distance, people generally fight for food with such skills, but I generally keep quiet about freelancing.

Answer 14

Firstly, I would not put a layout designer and a programmer on the same level. Secondly, I came across a vacancy for a team leader, for a company, development on WP, with a salary of $500. Once again, Team Lead and $500.
If you try, then in any field you can find unique people who offer to work for food, or even just for experience. And for them, it is not worth building an average for the market. Learn better the market, requirements and your skills.

Answer 15

For starters, get a job at least for 10k, so that the employer accepts you, work for a month or two, and then think about what you can do to earn more if you came for money. They haven’t worked even a workbench for a day, and already you are bending your fingers, which is not enough. No developer has made hundreds of thousands from day one, everyone starts small.

Answer 16

you need to improve your knowledge and skills. the higher it is, the fewer such workers, and the demand for them is much higher and the salaries are correspondingly more decent

Answer 17

The law of supply and demand in the labor market. Offers darkness, that's falling prices.

Answer 18

For the "old-timers" there is no such problem at all.

Answer 19

Fact 2: According to a study of personal differences, the best programmers outperform the weakest by up to 28 times. Considering that their salary is never commensurate, then the best programmer is the most profitable acquisition in the software industry.

I recommend reading the rationale
. I would not immediately put a single candidate on the fact that he is from group A, both in terms of knowledge and experience, and in terms of speed of work and degree of motivation.
I hope that everyone can roughly estimate their place on such a scale, but for this you need to work at least somewhere close to such people
. And one more thing: from my experience and new trends in the form of diversity, when people are hired who complete typical tasks in three times as long - it is very difficult to objectively aim at this scale, as mentioned above - normal programmers will not look for work like this, most likely they just need to put the status "in search" in linkedin and in a day they will choose from a bunch of offers, it's another matter if there is an interest in a particular company