Study or work?

fir1st2012-06-19 19:15:33

IT education

fir1st, 2012-06-19 19:15:33

Study or work?

I'm 19 and I and a few other people serve MAN (Metropolitan area network) for a large government organization, having just graduated from college after the ninth grade. I like the job, but I don't like the salary, the organization and the limited opportunity to develop.
I have a choice - to work further or go to study, really on a budget, full-time. I don’t have the Unified State Examination, for future admission I passed it completely unprepared and scored 140 points (Russian, mathematics, computer science) with which I pass only to a few universities in Russia.
Question: is it worth moving to another city and enrolling in a non-top university ( OSU), provided that I quit my current job, refuse financial assistance from my parents, I will study for 6 years (somehow earning a living and food), along with yesterday's schoolchildren.

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Vyacheslav Golovanov, 2012-06-19
@fir1st

And then you will look for advisers, with a knife in your hand, saying "you ruined my whole life"? :)
Depends on what you expect from VO.
If you just need a diploma, because without a diploma some companies do not want to hire - is it worth going to such companies? ..
If you get real knowledge, now is such a fantastic time that you can listen to lectures for free without leaving your home .
So there is an option of self-education at the same time as work.
Well, what to choose, it's up to you to decide for yourself.

Sergey, 2012-06-19
@butteff

I was expelled from two institutes because I worked.
I'll tell you what, it is important and necessary to study, but it is important to know the knowledge that you really need. Therefore, you should not go to lectures (the content of which is read in 10 minutes on Wikipedia), but develop yourself, read books, articles, textbooks that you really need. Be an expert in your field. The knowledge that you get at the institute is outdated even before you sit down at your desk. Communicate with people who are smarter than you, learn what you really need, develop and everything will be fine.
A diploma is needed to be, but no more. If you are selling yourself, you must be a specialist, not a graduate. So go study, but at the same time work, go to lectures to adequate teachers, skip the rest, and read in the evenings and develop in your field on your own.

svfoster, 2012-06-19
@svfoster

I don't like your idea of studying this year. It would be better to wait a year, to save money on freelancing, for example, in addition to your current business. Learning how to solve the damned exam will also be a plus, obviously.

65520, 2012-06-19
@65520

Under such conditions for obtaining this VO, it seems to me that it would be more profitable to engage in self-education in order to get a normal job. And then go to that other city, get a decent job and at the same time get a higher education for the crust - a diploma can be useful at least for professional emigration, you should not refuse it.

Wott, 2012-06-20
@Wott

I once studied and worked, earning a living for myself and my girlfriend. And then there was no freelance available yet, you had to turn around and even sometimes unload the cars at night. I won’t say that I want the same for my children, but I don’t consider it something heroic and impossible.
The tower is formally needed for
1. admission to a normal job, because HR doesn’t understand anything, and if there are 10 people in the competition, then before the interview, where they will understand that you really know you can’t get without a diploma.
An exception is made for stars whom the hunters themselves lure , but you still have to live to this state
3. sometimes the level of salary depends on VO. Our guys, after 5-odd years of work, received a tower so that they could formally be put in an engineering position and given the required salary.
The tower is needed essentially
1. to obtain a general picture of knowledge in the specialty. You can study every detail on your own, but only in lectures and in communication is a certain global understanding of what is eaten with what. This is necessary for further development. It is difficult to get it on your own, although the picture will be original :)
2. to obtain related knowledge - languages, related industries, classical education. Helps to remove women in life and solve problems. Yes, the language is very necessary for IT.
If you need VO formally, then it’s better to buy it in absentia or just buy it :) although the latter is more and more risky.
If you want to develop in this direction, then only full-time and only in the first-ranking universities in this specialty, otherwise it’s easier to buy a diploma. In a supernumerary university, they are unlikely to give more than you can read on your own or at lectures on the Internet.
VO is not needed only if you are a genius and then a standard cut will only ruin it. If at least talent, then the tower will help to realize.

deleted-mifki, 2012-06-19
@deleted-mifki

I agree with those who say that it is better to educate yourself than at a university. And that you need to get a job with those who look at skills, and not a diploma. However, if you are planning to leave your beloved homeland, then this will not work there simply according to formal requirements. So with such prospects, I advise you to get a diploma, and it is in the specialty in which you work.

Degibenz, 2012-06-19
@Degibenz

Let me tell you a little of my story. I started working in the 11th grade, I was so lucky I got into EA, if you can call it a job, I didn’t see much money, I was engaged in following one of their sites. As a result, I wrote the exam badly.
Then, in my first year, I started working in Internet television, for which I paid the price. I got out somehow for the summer session.
I made the following conclusion for myself: any work, and any study requires 100% of the time. You can not study and work at the same time, because either study will be lame, or work.

Napseg, 2012-06-19
@Napseg

Why don't you want to go to the party? After all, there is also a budget ...

omella, 2012-06-20
@omella

study + work ;)
and there is also such a phrase - "everything has its time." The older you get, the harder it is to study.

Andrey Polyakov, 2012-06-20
@magnitudo

After 5 years at a technical university (RGRTU Ryazan), I can definitely say that there is no point in going to a bad university to study full-time.
If you want to study, get ready to enter a normal university, if you want a diploma, go to an apprenticeship.

ComodoHacker, 2012-06-20
@ComodoHacker

I will say one thing: you should not go to a bad university. If you really do, then do not rashly, but prepare (with tutors, if necessary, make money on them), enter a normal one, and hold on to it to the end.
Try to find out more about the teachers at the faculty / department, get feedback about them from real people.
VO is needed not for the crust, but first of all for yourself. It expands the prospects and opportunities to get settled in life, about an ORDER. They also say that the university "teaches to learn." True, understanding of this usually comes after graduation.

ixSci, 2012-06-19
@ixSci

I saw my master's diploma once, at the time of presentation. I won’t play a fortune teller, but I don’t think it will be useful to me :) You don’t need a university to study, and if for some reason you didn’t visit it, then you shouldn’t make up for this loss. I had a colleague who did not graduate from high school. This does not prevent him from working at Yandex. If you are ready to gnaw granite on your own, then maybe this university is his?
Although SLY_G told you correctly , the choice is yours.

Alexander Veliko-Ivanenko, 2012-06-19
@va1n

I studied until the 3rd year, just at OSU, then I quit. If you want to study and not get a diploma, you are definitely not in this university.
I found a job without problems, remote work, decent money. At the interview, the diploma was asked, but this did not have any influence on the decision to accept the job.
Now I am preparing documents for admission to remote work in intuit.ru .
PS
And if you still decide to enter OSU, then in general it will be possible to combine a point and a job without any problems. Without any problems, I managed not to show up for a class for a semester, to come to the exam and pass everything.
I recommend to enter the "mat. providing and administration inf. systems” - as far as I know, this is the only IT specialty in this university where they can teach at least something.

bad_guy, 2012-06-20
@bad_guy

I'm a college graduate, I work as a hobby. For programmers are somehow more necessary than engineers. Nobody asked about education, I program and okay, it doesn’t matter where I learned. But I have an opinion that it is not the education itself that is important, but what surrounds it. These are new skills, acquaintances, friends. The university gave me good Friends, a MacBook, communication skills, and no matter how petty it may seem, acquaintances who (at least someone) can get out in the future, and if necessary, they can provide blat. For example, help with work, not for me, but for the children. Jobs are sought in the first couple, not always easy.

Deenamo, 2012-06-20
@Deenamo

Try to save money in a couple of years and go to study at a Western university. Set yourself such a goal. During this time, decide exactly what you want to study and why you need it.

JDima, 2012-06-19
@JDima

If there is a desire to grow as a networker (in the general case, an information systems administrator), then the lack of a diploma will probably scare away 10% of employers who should not be employed anyway, that is, it does not play any role. So since the army doesn’t care about intensive self-education, it would be nice to get a couple of statuses (but be sure to be honest, otherwise they will do a very bad job) and get a job in a large commercial firm.

la0, 2012-06-19
@la0

I asked the opposite question, but there are links to questions that are like yours.
habrahabr.ru/qa/17112/

Xintrea, 2012-06-19
@webhamster

Dude, you need a degree. And preferably full-time, because there are situations when even with a state diploma, people are ranked according to the form of education:
www.9111.ru/questions/q571025-2-v-kakom-sluchae-mne-obyazani-predostavit-ravnotsennuyu-dolgnost -i-uroven-z-pl.html
And you don't know how your life will turn and where you still have to work.
So get a diploma at the full-time department of any zadryshchensky, but state-owned university, combining it with work, even though it’s wildly difficult. Although, now it is much easier to earn extra money than when I studied, at least by the same freelance.

boolivar, 2012-06-19
@boolivar

I think, as long as there is such a desire, you need to go to study, the further, the harder it will be to quit your job, change your place of residence, and so on, another question, I don’t know anything about OSU, maybe it’s not worth it. I can say with confidence that I would not exchange my years of study at the university for anything, they taught me how to study and laid a solid foundation of knowledge on which my further development relies.
I hope the financial side will not become an obstacle for you. Good luck.

Quiz, 2012-06-20
@Quiz

Manuals in hand and go ahead, study in your free time.
Firstly, in a non-top university you will do the same (earn food and sometimes study)
. Secondly, very few universities, in principle, provide up-to-date knowledge in the field of IT. To be honest, I've never heard of any of these. But there are rumors that they are somewhere (is it in Russia?)
Believe me, a graduate of a regional (they say even a top regional) university. 95% of knowledge I received in the process of work or in my spare time. Studying absolutely gives only one thing - the ability to systematize the knowledge gained. If there are no problems with this, then see the first line of this comment.

IIIa66uMEM6eP, 2012-06-20
@IIIa66uMEM6eP

If this was a survey, what to choose for myself in this situation, I would choose a job + correspondence department (on a paid basis, everyone is taken with any exam).
By the way, I recommend that you arrange such a survey.

dustalov, 2012-06-20
@dustalov

If the moment of entering a university immediately after school is missed, then there is no point in going to study: the atmosphere will not be the same at all. Alas, there will be no pleasure from the educational process and any laughs in pairs. Even in our Institute of Physics and Technology UrFU , having fun in class was the only reason to attend classes.
Whether we like it or not, but the world is developing in such a way that this piece of paper is very necessary, therefore it is highly desirable to receive it.
It is worth paying attention to the correspondence specialties of the local state university, and enroll in them. There will be no (formal) difference with full-time graduates. The correspondence department will help you work and at the same time receive a diploma of higher education.