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Varnak2011-06-04 00:28:14
Keyboard layout
Varnak, 2011-06-04 00:28:14

Programmer dvorak, Colemak?

Wandering around the expanses of the network, once again I ran into "Dvorak for programmers". The desire to try something different from qwerty has been floating around for a long time, but everything is somehow not leisure.
There was no need to frantically hit the keys on the quarter, so the main issue is ease of use.
Separately and especially interested in using it with vim.
PS: I'm aware that 98% of the stations have quarters and it doesn't bother me.

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liveor, 2011-06-05
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Twice I tried to retrain to Dvorak for programmers. And both times failed. When I got to the point where I was able to type slowly without typos without looking at the keyboard, the problem with hotkeys became very annoying. With the Russian layout, they are where they are used to, but on the dvorak they are scattered across the keyboard in different places.
Subjectively, the set on the dvorak is not something that would be faster, but somehow it goes more smoothly, or something. I got the impression that on this layout the frequently pressed keys are far apart and all fingers are equally involved in the set, there is no such thing that the little fingers or ring fingers work less.
Well, it’s even more convenient to type all sorts of brackets / quotes.
In general, if you do a lot of programming and often press "-" instead of "=" and "{" instead of "}",
Colemak - in my opinion, neither fish nor fowl. Dvorak for programmers attracted with the convenience of a set of regular and curly brackets. In Colemak they are in the same place as on qwerty. I don't see much point in teaching him. Well, except that if you have to print a lot and very quickly - with a really heavy load, an advantage over qwerty will appear in view of the fact that the load on all fingers is more uniform.
If you still decide to switch, here is a link to an online simulator that supports the Dvorak for programmers layout: klava.org . At first, it will be more convenient than using another simulator and the on-screen keyboard, because the on-screen keyboard does not highlight the button that was just pressed (it would seem that this is not really necessary, but no, it is much more convenient).
I can’t say anything definite about vim due to the fact that for me it “has two modes - beep and spoil everything”. As with other programs, hotkeys will have to be retrained.

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Gribozavr, 2011-06-05
@gribozavr

Moved to the courtyard. Satisfied, I don't want to go back. QWERTY is not forgotten.
Long article here: habrahabr.ru/blogs/gtd/106201/

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Tomvish, 2021-02-17
@Tomvish

Много лет несмотря на тренировки на клавиатурных тренажёрах, после нескольких месяцев без компьютера - опять на qwerty печатал хоть и не двумя пальцами, но только заглядывая почти на каждую клавишу. Ужасно раздражало.
При нерегулярном использовании колемак очень удобен. Часть клавиш совпадает с наклейками и меньше требуется запоминать. Это я сперва так думал. Но стоило пару раз напечатать раскладку в блокноте, как пальцы уже сами ложились куда надо. Запоминание почти мгновенное. И самое удивительное - после большого перерыва - почти год - сел и сразу вспомнил почти всё! Всё-таки намерение с которым создавались кверти и колемак совершенно разные. И результаты соответствующие.
The only thing is that vim navigation did not work while I manage without it. Later I think to do something for this. Or reassign vim, or a script to catch navigation in certain applications. So far, I haven't thought much about the solution. But I don’t work anywhere else without a kolemak. At first I held the quarter with the 3rd layout, but quickly refused - it interferes more.
And in general, I didn’t lose anything when I sit down at cars without a kolemak. As it was inconvenient - so it remains.

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