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Yana2017-07-24 19:22:06
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Yana, 2017-07-24 19:22:06

Neural networks instead of lawyers?

Good afternoon dear ones.
I just read an RBC article where Gref "cursed" at lawyers who do not know what neural networks are.
According to the outline of what has been written, one can consider lawyers without such special knowledge as yesterday's lawyers.
and that the statements of claim will now be and are already being written by the same INS and even better than the living good old lawyers :)
Who thinks? For which areas is this feasible and when should I take additional computer science courses? :)
Personally, I specialize in land law. Recently I took up international and maritime ...
So, not so long ago, certificates of ownership were replaced with extracts ... people had a panic .. everyone was used to papers ... and here, I think people want to communicate with people, the human factor .. .I wanted your opinion

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BBmike, 2017-07-24
@BBmike

First of all, Comrade Gref himself must be replaced.
There is no need for a neural network. Enough of the Word macro.
This great figure calls lawyers those who take the full name, address, contract number and the amount of the debt in the database of Sberbank debtors, and then hammer it into the template of the claim form with their hands and carry it to the expedition.

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Sergey Gornostaev, 2017-07-24
@sergey-gornostaev

The machine can replace people doing routine work. That is, 90% of lawyers, accountants, logisticians, etc. And 99% of people involved in manual labor - drivers, loaders, factory workers, etc. In the foreseeable future, it will not be possible to mine only the creators, regardless of the type of their activity.

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Zr, 2017-07-24
@Zr

It would seem recently, but on the other hand, for a long time, there was such a profession - an accountant , or in the German manner - an accountant . But then computers appeared - at first large and expensive, and then more and more compact and cheaper. At that time, one could only dream of all kinds of neural networks, but now they already knew how to count very well and quickly, and soon they learned to compile all reports according to templates, and the accountant profession died out ... Wait! Or did it not die out at all, but, on the contrary, it multiplied so that now there are several times more accountants than then?

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laxikodeje, 2017-07-24
@laxikodeje

Lawyers write their legal things about the REAL world.
And in the real world - a lot of nuances.
It would be surprising if you worked with a company that works with neural networks and wrote an offer agreement for them on the use of a neural network and did not ask (for the best quality of your own work) what is a neural network in general.
On the other hand, if you are a lawyer who specializes in land law, you need to know completely different things. Let's say more about the features of the work of surveyors than about neural networks.

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xmoonlight, 2017-07-25
@xmoonlight

A start has been made: pullenti.ru
Where used: pullenti.ru/ProjectPage.aspx

The "Legal Expertise" system is designed to automate the process of reviewing draft legal acts (NLA), organizational and administrative documents, contracts and other documents. The document is analyzed directly in the MS Word editor, possible inaccuracies are marked with comments. Text links to external documents present in the database are automatically formatted as hyperlinks.

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worldnomad, 2017-07-25
@worldnomad

Yes. I heard this quote. But there are ways that are much simpler than neural networks, if you mean writing lawsuits. For many years, templates have been used for this, they are also "blanks", they are also "fish" (whatever you call it). But if writing lawsuits is the work of a lawyer in the understanding of Gref, then ... I don’t know what to say here ..
And the debate in court, and the response to the lawsuit, and the presentation of evidence (I’m not talking about their search) , and a lot more work that requires formal thinking - if only we are talking about lawsuits.
Maybe Gref was referring to the case when someone took a loan from the Security Council, did not return it, and a lawsuit needs to be filed. Well, there are ways cheaper than neural networks. There, the evidence base is clear. For example, students of the 3rd, 4th course. Tons of them will be written for a small share. Of course, now such lawyers are graduating from universities, that even stand, even fall, but they will cope with such monkey work.
But how can a neural network cope with the process of pre-trial settlement, negotiations (which, in fact, makes the process of going to court generally unnecessary). It's probably hard for me to judge what Gref has in his head. I have been in the profession for almost 3 decades, several diplomas (obtained not for money), teaching. I can say that the amount of accumulated knowledge and experience is such that I am no longer quite a lawyer, but something like "lawyer + economist + mentor + etc." Those. in a sense, you have outgrown the profession itself, you work at the junction of many areas.
Who can replace me? Well, probably AI. Whatever that word means. But it's not in my lifetime for sure.
By the way, it is easy for citizens and small offices to win against monsters like SB. The quality of the side opposing you in court is below the plinth. I think this is due to the fact that in a corporation everyone is required to be dumber than their boss. Just obliged. Well, and since the bosses themselves are far from being Spinoza, then ... Smart people in corporations are somehow not very common. There, the "screw" principle works more in the selection of personnel.
So, colleague, do not worry, if you are a professional, then such statements should not bother you.
In addition, it should be understood that Gref plays his role (and they ALL play their well-defined roles in public) as a kind of innovator, intellectual, and therefore he constantly says something like that. Well, the man screwed up. It happens to everyone.
All the best.

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pqgg7nwkd4, 2017-07-25
@pqgg7nwkd4

It's all utopia. It seems to me that when it comes to this, civilization will already be dead. I'm not sure that neural networks are capable of something in jurisprudence without a competent operator.
And Gref, in my opinion, hovers in the clouds in his idea of ​​IT. What pleases, he pays due attention to this issue.

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