How to work with a new upwork contract for a Russian IP?

Question

Freelance

Hello.
We are talking about simplifying the withdrawal of funds to the account of Russian individual entrepreneurs with an upwork.
https://www.upwork.com/hiring/for-freelancers/gett...
In particular, this
Service Contract (also called: Confirmation of Service Agreement) is of interest: a fillable PDF form of the Service Contract between you and your client , printed in two languages ​​(Russian and English)
So now I have to ask each client to fill out a contract?
It is also not clear what amount to indicate in this contract if the hourly rate and the project is extended for months, i.e. there is no fixed fee for the project? (resolved, example in upd2)
UPD: this paperwork deprives any sense of working through upwork, it turns out to be easier to conclude normal docks with each client than to sign these surrogate contracts and pay/calculate interest.
UPD2: here are examples of filling out documents, the issue is partially resolved, because you can also specify an hourly rate
https://content-static.upwork.com/blog/uploads/sit...
https://content-static.upwork.com/blog/uploads/sit...
UPD3 16-09- 16: As written heremany of our freelancers - these new documents are in principle impossible to use for many contracts, too much paperwork (contract plus act for each client) and confusion with the calculation of commissions. Those who work with one client for a long time - of course, this will not inconvenience them, but the interests of all participants in the exchange must be respected, no matter if they have one client a year or two every day. In addition, many freelancers and their banks generally consider such documents to be fake, because. printed text superimposed over poor quality scans. How to be? No one knows, the authors of the article and the initiators of the innovation either keep silent about these questions, or if they answer, they sometimes contradict themselves ... Read it - interesting
UPD4 17-09-2016 But this is generally a complete lol

And how can we seriously and legally earn money now with these guys?
Tuesday (20-09-2016) will be a week old, and the documents are still hanging in an outdated (and defective) state. Those who signed all this stuff, apparently didn’t even look at what they were signing, did the upwork management really go crazy? I would like to remind you that this is the largest freelance exchange and millions of dollars are spinning there. Are they really so inattentive that they don’t see where the signatures are molded, or is it not the leadership that signed the documents, but the authors of these innovations? Then these documents do not have any legal force. I don’t want to incite, but I think this is a set-up for Russian freelancers, because they don’t want to delve into our legislation at all, they don’t want to work according to old documents, they don’t want to change something for almost a week,
By the way, one more thing is depressing. The article mentions Russian banks, which allegedly gave the go-ahead and approved these documents. AS? Again, there are options:
- either there were no negotiations and upwork is lying (at least in the person of the authors of the article for sure)
- there were negotiations, but representatives of the banks were inattentive to the documents provided to them, which, as it were, was a stain on their reputation
UPD 19-09- 2016: No updates. Soon, on September 26, many users who have $1,000 or more in their account will have an automatic withdrawal of funds. There is infa (I didn’t personally check it myself, so I don’t give guarantees) on the topic of how to postpone auto-withdrawal from upwork: We set a monthly withdrawal, it falls on 28. We are waiting for 27, we set a quarterly one, which would hit 26, and which has already passed.
UPD 21-09-2016:Updated the article - while the documents are being redone, you can use another method of workflow https://www.upwork.com/hiring/for-freelancers/gett...

Answer 1

Xs. Docks used to be signed upon request. The docks themselves were simpler. They simplified the work, first of all, for themselves, so as not to fool around with signatures every time.
I was embarrassed by some points:
- now it is necessary to show clients, before only upwork was indicated
- they also decided to highlight all possible ways of withdrawing funds from the exchange in the contract
- it is necessary to indicate the full amounts, before commissions, with the simplified tax system it is not clear how to pay, used to pay so much, how much will fall into the account, without options.

Answer 2

Stupid question. Why bother with acts? The logic is this. I don't really need any deeds. I use an invoice for currency control. As described here https://habrahabr.ru/post/132432/.
Those. I have an offer agreement + invoice and this is enough for currency control (works for Rosbank + Alfa-Bank).
Now for the acts. As far as I know, Upwork does not send printed versions of acts. Those. if suddenly the tax office decides to check, then in fact you can only provide printed copies on your printer.
Actually another question. Has anyone passed the tax check with Upwork?

Answer 3

Concluded October 5th.
The money came from ELANCE ESCROW CORPORATION.
I sent the old act to the caliper for signature.
Three times they offered me to sign a new act with Upwork Escrow, judging by the speed and incomprehensibility of the messages, not understanding the meaning of the dialogue and poking at random answer options in the templates.
Three times I tried to explain to them the unacceptability of the new act for the old sender.
Either they ran out of templates, or they managed to find a convincing wording, but the machine gun of templates fell silent and, judging by the pause, they went to consult with the supervisor.
A few hours later they sent a signed old act.
While they were freezing, I talked to Tochka, they said that they were already working under new contracts, and that they did not plan to refuse to work with the old ones.
Can someone confirm or deny that Modulbank refuses to work with old contracts?
And then I've been looking for a long time to see if it's worth contacting them.
UPD 07-01-2017 : Since the new year, money still began to come from Upwork Escrow Inc. I sent the signed new act and a new offer to the bank. The bank thanked for the clarification, but refused to recognize the new offer as a new contract, insisting that the transaction passport would have to be issued when both offers reached $50k in total.
UPD 04-04-2017 : I asked the Lawyer a question - https://pravoved.ru/question/1597038/ I accept applications for clarifying questions.

Answer 4

not yet, the practice has not yet developed, there is no good unambiguous theory.

Answer 5

I'm more interested, will they sign the old confirmations of services if they send them the same way as before, or will they send them to the new docks via this link?
UPD. 01/19/2017 I also display everything according to the old scheme :)

Answer 6

Waited for the update. While they're raking up what they've done, we can take to the old docks. https://community.upwork.com/t5/Announcements/Russ...

Answer 7

You can probably contact her directly. This is her work on Upwork
https://www.upwork.com/hiring/author/kbozhkova/
https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=50904606
https://m.facebook.com/katerina. bozhkova
Hence, apparently, Ukrainian in the documents.

Answer 8

Guys, what is the problem then explain? Old docks sign without problems. Moreover, I can post a chat with support for anyone who is interested. Judging by it, this bullshit with forms was created as an alternative for those who banks refuse to accept CoS.

Answer 9

Use Payoneer and not know all these fucking IP problems.

Answer 10

How is everything at the moment? Promsvyazbank suddenly began to demand a Confirmation of Service Agreement, and in a single copy where Upwork (OMG) is the client. If I fail to convince them of the validity of the old scheme (UA + COS), I think to change to a more adequate bank. As an option, I consider Alpha, Tochka and Sber. Do these banks allow transactions on the old docks?