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freeman02042017-02-16 13:13:31
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freeman0204, 2017-02-16 13:13:31

How important is English to a programmer and do you get paid more if you know English?

If you are, for example, a web programmer and make sites on WP (sites are different) or on yii2 or something like that. And you want to get a job in a company where almost all customers are from abroad. In fact, this does not mean anything, you can also make websites, but you do not need to communicate with customers. Therefore, it is not entirely clear why then in this case Anglican? Or is it not so important for web programmers, for example, as for java programmers? In my understanding, English is needed in this case in order to find the necessary information on foreign sites.
Other things being equal, for a yii2 programmer without English and yii2 with English, who will be paid more and how will the responsibilities change in practice?

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semt1, 2017-09-01
@semt1

They don't pay more.
Will you implement these opportunities - it's up to you.
They don't pay automatically.

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RedHairOnMyHead, 2017-02-16
@ThePyzhov

you want to get a job in a company where almost all customers are from abroad

Who will you communicate with?
Basically, all relevant information comes from foreign sources, and in order to be constantly up to date, you need English. English is worth learning at least in order to be able to properly name functions, variable classes, etc. when writing code.
Everything depends on the company. Even in Russia, not everyone is accepted without knowledge of English, at least at the level of reading literature.

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Alexey Nikolaev, 2017-02-16
@Heian

It is not vital for any programmers, but it is still important if you want to read something other than articles and forums. Specifications, for example - sooner or later you will want to read what is written there, and you will come across a hellish encyclopedic language with a bunch of hard-to-translate terms. Again, if the toaster does not answer, you will have to ask on stackoverflow, and ask in a way that is clear.
In principle, the level of reading articles is the level of a beginner. On the same Upwork, this level is the lowest possible.
PS They never asked about English, they pay for specific skills. Just for the fact of knowing a foreign language, hardly anyone will pay. So, the responsibilities will be the same - develop on Yii. The difference can only be in an international company that works with foreign clients.

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Saboteur, 2017-02-16
@saboteur_kiev

> If you are, for example, a web programmer and make sites on WP (sites are different) or on yii2 or something like that. And you want to get a job in a company where almost all customers are from abroad. In fact, this does not mean anything, you can also make websites, but you do not need to communicate with customers.
You need to communicate not only with customers, but also with testers and other developers, and in such firms it can be a distributed team, and English is the generally accepted standard in this case. At least tickets, comments, letters - in English. In the presence of your resume and the resume of another candidate with knowledge of English, your resume flies by.
> Therefore, it is not entirely clear why, then, in this case, the Anglican? Or is it not so important for web programmers, for example, as for java programmers? In my understanding, English is needed in this case in order to find the necessary information on foreign sites.
English is not only forums and Wikipedia. There are also books, films, podcasts. These are people. These are other services. For example, read orders for upwork and on the Russian-language freelance exchange. Compare prices. Think.
> Ceteris paribus, for a yii2 programmer without English and yii2 with English, who will be paid more and how will the responsibilities change in practice?
Pay not stupidly for knowledge of English. There are specific salaries in different companies. In some less, in others more, it does not always depend on the complexity and amount of work. It just somehow happened so magically that those companies that require English, for some reason, pay much more.

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Denis Fedorets, 2017-02-16
@fedorez

English for a programmer is like Latin for a doctor in the Middle Ages - you don't know Latin - you are a village shaman, you know - you are a doctor, a respected person)
the center of the industry is located in the Valley. everyone there speaks English. not knowing the language, you give up a huge knowledge base, from dynamic communication with the community, from being constantly in the know. you are limiting yourself to a much(sic!) narrower (turned in...okay) small-town circle.
books. every year there are a LOT of interesting books for programmers. only a small part of them is translated into Russian, you have to wait at least a year for translation into Russian, very often the translation is complete trash.
finally, if you are a pirate, then in Russian you download crooked scans of books from torrents, and in English - beautiful initially digital pdfs with color pictures broken out by craftsmen from the Kindle.
English is your tool. somehow you can do without it - but this is from the series "we are not looking for easy ways."
if you want to limit yourself, make it difficult to develop as an IT specialist, don't learn English. you will work for those (and under those) who know English, infantry is also needed.

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Alexey Sol, 2017-02-16
@NN-webmaster

The question is worth rephrasing. Not "how important English is to a programmer" , but "how important English is to a modern person" .
The answer, in any case, is very important . The entire modern business world speaks English. All world experts and masters of their craft in any field speak English. A huge amount of modern technical literature, scientific papers, publications and other content is written in English.
If you are going to achieve heights in any field, and even more so in such a modern one as programming, then knowledge of English is one of the most important skills that you must possess.
If you know English, then the scope of your perception expands many times, dozens of times. This is communication with other programmers (and just with people) and reading literature (both reference books and fiction), and networking, integration into the community of professionals not on a territorial basis, but on the level of their skills. This immediately opens up for you a layer of a huge number of potential customers and employers with whom you can interact directly, and not through an intermediary.
So the answer to the question, from my point of view, is yes. English is important. They pay more (but only if you make an effort yourself).

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abcd0x00, 2017-02-17
@abcd0x00

Here git is developed by Junio ​​C Hamano, he is Japanese. If he wrote something to you in Japanese or you wrote to him in Russian, you would not understand each other. And so he writes his ideas in English, you can read them and answer him in English with your ideas.
But the point is not even that there are 7 billion people in the world with hundreds of different languages, but that the entire computer world arose and developed in the USA and Europe, so all the main documentation was written in English from the very beginning. And the main documentation is a description of everything that is happening behind the scenes now (network protocols, file formats, and so on). 25 percent of this was translated into Russian, a lot of things are not translated very well (it is better to read in the original).
Therefore, without English, you will have fragmentary knowledge in general and not always accurate and complete in particular.

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Vadim, 2017-02-16
@Subotinn

With knowledge of English, you can easily achieve a salary rise of 2+ times without much difficulty.

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evgeniy_lm, 2017-02-16
@evgeniy_lm

It all depends on what you are doing. 90% of modern web development is a dull copy-paste. In principle, there is nothing wrong with this if there are morons who pay for it, but English is not needed here.
Another thing is if you want to do something modern, then without English, no way. Alas, so far all the latest developments are primarily described in English and the situation will not change in the next 20-30 years. English is also needed if you want to have foreign customers, they pay more.

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sisn, 2017-02-17
@sisn

They don't pay more.
But you can get into more interesting vacancies.

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