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vladbolin2020-12-06 19:03:21
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vladbolin, 2020-12-06 19:03:21

How hard is it to get into WebDev with no experience and then emigrate?

The name sounds like fantasy, but to the point:

Good day to everyone who reads this. I am 19 years old and studying in Ukraine at the Faculty of Foreign Languages, English and French (not the most related area with this site, but still suggest reading on). My very long-term plans are to leave Ukraine for the West, there are several reasons for this, I divide them into only two: something related to the economy, and the second is my personal and quite significant for me. Simply put, I do not see my future here. My specialty is quite interesting for me, but as far as I know, it is not the most successful for emigration, alas! Recently, I began to learn that it is IT specialists who quite often move to other countries. Until now, I heard about self-taught people who manage to find a job without even graduating, and without enrolling in a university at all. Naturally, having such ideas in my head, I caught fire with the idea, thinking something like "yes, I can do it too! why not try it!". I already know enough English to sit on Reddit on the r/learnprogramming subreddit and read enough stories there. (Who doesn't know, Reddit is a forum-social network, mostly American, there are many forums on completely different topics, from doctors to programming). And that's where I came across the recommendation of The Odin Project (can be found in Google). In simple words, an online course made by enthusiasts is designed for a couple of years, as they say from 0 to hireable level. As I understand it, they teach full stack (still I know something a little) webdevelopment specialists. So, I got excited about the idea, I already wanted to go into the pool with my head, but logical questions began to come into my head: "But isn't this course designed for American market conditions?", " in simple words, I want to face the reality of how "easy" it is for someone like me to enter this field through courses like this, and then get a job in my homeland to gain experience, and then leave. I know that you are not migration agents, so I ask you to enlighten me in terms of the professional situation from your point of view, how difficult it will be for me, is it even worth climbing. Maybe you have personal examples of people who were like me, and everything worked out for them .. in simple words, I want to face the reality of how "easy" it is for someone like me to enter this field through courses like this, and then get a job in my homeland to gain experience, and then leave. I know that you are not migration agents, so I ask you to enlighten me in terms of the professional situation from your point of view, how difficult it will be for me, is it even worth climbing. Maybe you have personal examples of people who were like me, and everything worked out for them .. how difficult it will be for me, is it worth climbing at all. Maybe you have personal examples of people who were like me, and everything worked out for them .. how difficult it will be for me, is it worth climbing at all. Maybe you have personal examples of people who were like me, and everything worked out for them ..

I wanted to write right away that my post is quite sincere and naive, I do not understand the IT field in general, so please excuse me for all sorts of incorrect statements and just correct it, in general, this is why I ask for help in order to "push myself face to face with reality" and understand what and how, from those people who understand.

Thank you.

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Sergey Gornostaev, 2020-12-06
@sergey-gornostaev

online course

You can immediately put an end to your dreams. Emigration without a profile tower, quoted in the West of an educational institution, is possible for specialists of the level that are extremely in demand at home, and such grow as a result of independent study and subsequent many years of practice, and not by courses.

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Puma Thailand, 2020-12-06
@opium

First you need to transfer to a specialized specialty

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Saboteur, 2020-12-06
@saboteur_kiev

What can you do?
Ask yourself this question, put yourself in the place of the employer.
You're building a career for yourself in a profession you haven't even started yet.

I already know enough English to sit on Reddit on the r/learnprogramming subreddit and read enough

Less sitting there and reading stories, more engaged in the intended profession - you do not need other people's stories, but your own skills. Professional.
You can deal with the issue of migration when you can already do something real.

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Gary_Ihar, 2020-12-06
@Gary_Ihar

Invest in the languages ​​you are currently learning, especially English. Then take QA courses (this is the simplest, they say), due to the cool English, you will be higher than many white people. That's how my brother got started. A month of QA courses and fluent English. For a month and a half, he changed the field of activity. But he's only for the money. He hates his job, but for the sake of a fairly high salary, he is ready to endure.

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Artem Zolin, 2020-12-07
@artzolin

You can emigrate anywhere if you have MONEY and know how to earn it. The rest, like the presence of a tower, is generally of little interest to anyone. IT is a promising industry with international professions, but not the only one. Better choose what you like

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Pavel, 2020-12-07
@HEKOT

Both issues can be resolved through studying at a foreign university. And get an education, and be able to imigrate. I don’t know about other countries, but Australia definitely has this. Details from immigration agents (usually the first consultation - the assessment of the chances is free).

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feycot, 2020-12-10
@feycot

The complexity of entering the profession depends on many factors - where you live, how much time you are willing to devote, how much effort you put in. As far as I remember (I live in the Russian Federation), Ukraine has a very developed IT sector, which largely works for Western companies (outsourcing).
People without education (I mean without universities) really get settled and migrate abroad. Only one can face the difficulties that in some countries they still require a profile crust and some kind of profile experience.
So it's hard to say about the complexity. Try, learn, gain experience.
About The Odin Project. There is really a full stack, Ruby (Ruby on Rails) and Javascript languages. RoR is really widely used in the West, in the USA. But if you learn one programming language, then it will not be much of a problem to switch to another.
You also need to understand that the process is far from instantaneous, it can take several minutes before you manage to find a more or less job and migrate. Also know that training is not limited to just one course, so you will need to study specialized literature (which is quite a lot).

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rebellious_duck, 2021-11-03
@rebellious_duck

WebDev is a squirrel wheel. A bunch of naive, meaningless in the lives of yesterday's schoolchildren who are ready to work for free, for the sake of experience, hoping to become developers later. Such a dime a dozen. I would advise an ordinary person to stay as far away from the front-end as possible, and fashionable back-end frameworks, because web development does not accumulate experience, and technologies change every three years. And you, as a specialist, are only good because you are young, and you learn new things quickly and easily, but after 40 you will definitely be thrown into the trash.
But if something shines for you without education, it's just in fashionable new things. (Unfortunately, almost everywhere, except for webdev, they require a higher technical education, no matter what.) I advise you to score on any courses, it's a waste of time. There are examples of people without VO who emigrated somewhere as IT specialists, for example, to Finland, and something like that should be guided by. Forget about the USA, h1b visa requires a VO in the specialty, or it can be neglected there if there are some years of experience. But this is a very competitive thing. PHP developers a long time ago could emigrate even without VO, to Germany, I heard.
To kickstart your career, check out the CS50 web development course. If you complete the tasks, 3 months of intensive study will suffice. After that, there will be some kind of foundation.
And after that, you need to choose and learn the back-end very well, you can Dzhang as in the know, although they say that before Dzhang it is better to learn Flask in order to understand how everything works. You can definitely learn PHP and then Laravel, if you can learn and there are good projects, you will surely get a job. After that, it would be nice to learn the front-end. All according to the books. Search Quora for the best books, then reddit to see what people like. (My book recommendations: For back-end, three good books on jung by William Wincent, learn it well. Build your blog site with Django Corey Schaffer's tutorial. For front-end, the best book is "Learning Web Design, Jennifer Niederst" Robbins", this will give a good front-end foundation (CSS, JS, HTML), then watch a video where people build websites from scratch, I watched Coder Coder, she had one vidos where she made a training site. This way you will learn about Sass and Tailwind CSS and all sorts of handy features.)
After that, the main thing is to start freelancing. Not on the platforms themselves, especially not on Western ones (Russian Kwork will still work, but some Upwork is too competitive), but simply to offer people to make a website. Offer to your hairdresser, offer to just make a website for free, or say that they will pay if they like it. You just need to gain experience and have something to show the employer. Once you've found a job, congratulations! You are either lucky or more competitive than 95% of the same as you. If you really know how to make websites, you can certainly find a job.
Here you have, I think, two ways, either learn vanilla JS well from the book Javascript the definitive guide, then read some javascript ninja and you don't know javascript. You learn all sorts of cool JS libraries to create awesome apps and pages. (three.js for cool 3d animations, d3.js for interactive data visualizations) you can learn React native to build apps for websites, learn some fancy Next.js back-end, when you grow up, start learning Typescript. Javascript developers are in high demand and usually do not have higher education. And JS is not going anywhere, webassembly cannot completely replace it, don't worry.
Or deepen your back-end. Here on Habré there seemed to be a post by a dude who moved to Germany without VO as a PHP developer, but that was a long time ago and the article has already been deleted.
Follow the fashion, learn all sorts of cybernetics and all sorts of fashionable technologies. You can find out about such things, for example, on the Fireship channel. Chel talks about all sorts of new things in webdev, and the JS developer himself, sort of. Emigration is generally a secondary matter.

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