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Shamil Fasakhov2015-08-22 12:36:02
Freelance
Shamil Fasakhov, 2015-08-22 12:36:02

Freelance or office for a web designer?

Hello. The essence of the question is this, I am 26 years old, for the last year and a half I have been freelancing in the field of a designer (from printing to web design), it turns out more or less, an average salary of 40-45. The other day I was offered a job in Kazan, in the top 1 Internet agency of Tatarstan, but for the position of a junior web designer, with a trial period of 4 months, and after this trial period, the salary is around 30. This raises the question of whether it makes sense to move to another city, spend at least half of the salary on rented housing, for the sake of experience? Will the experience be so unique that it cannot be obtained by working as a freelancer?

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Think With Your Head, 2015-08-22
@fassoft

Freelancing is the same experience, only the salary is higher.
If you need a society, then the office can give the wrong people, it is better to look elsewhere - for example, conferences. Not enterprising people work in the office, but the bosses, as a rule, are goats. IMHO.
And further. The salary of a designer is 30 thousand rubles a month, while in a top studio? It's some kind of facepalm. A normal designer now, taking into account the exchange rate, earns 30 thousand rubles a week on upwork. If there are problems with the English language and it’s so willing to work in Russia, then it’s easier to learn to be a plumber, it will turn out more than a miserable 30 thousand per month

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Nikolay Talanov, 2015-08-22
@Ronnie_Gardocki

As soon as you see the combination "we offer you a job in the top 1% something there% in% collective farm city / region%" and "salary after the trial period% ridiculous figure%" then you can safely laugh in response to such recruiters. In 90% of cases, a sad swamp will be waiting for you, where you will be forced to work from call to call, riveting dull shit, and you will receive ridiculous money for all this. + with a high probability, having started working in such a place, you will be sucked into this very swamp, in which you will quite possibly lose a couple of years of your life, rejoicing at an incredible increase in salary by 20-30% (and 20-30% of nothing, this is still nothing).
Regarding "socialization" and other "pluses" of office work - such things should be taken into account only when the base itself suits you. And with a salary of 30k, you are more likely to find a paddling pool with yesterday's students and "like seniors", who are actually not seniors at all and it's time to shoot them in general, because they have been sitting in a swamp for years.

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Elizaveta Borisova, 2015-08-22
@Elizaveta

Are you able to evaluate the work of the agency and understand whether there is something to learn there or not? Check out the designer's profiles. who work there, and decide what it will give you. But with such patches, they most likely have a guaranteed turnover, people do not stay.
Refuse the trial period immediately, a month is enough.
The answer rather lies in the plane, do you want to move to an office environment in principle, join the processes in companies, etc., meaning moving to a company with better conditions.

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Akcent Goncesta, 2015-08-22
@Akcent

Office work is also about social interactions with other people. In addition to experience, you will get connections. In general, since we live in a social society, social ties play an important role. And nothing will stop you from doing freelancing. In general, it is useful to leave the comfort zone when you create conditions for yourself that make you think more, develop. Weigh everything for yourself and decide.

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Puma Thailand, 2015-08-22
@opium

It seems to me that it is worth haggling about the conditions, firstly, more salary, and secondly, a trial period of 4 months is simply not worth it, a month and that's it.
On the terms that you were offered, I would not have gone anywhere at 26.

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hopajeci, 2015-12-17
@hopajeci

For a designer, 1 month of trial period is enough. Your work will be immediately visible.
The top studio is highly questionable.

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Petr Alekseevich Petrov, 2015-08-26
@Vertikal

3. Salary during the trial period should not be less than after.

In vain ... You should not limit the employer in the amount of monetary compensation ...

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SerzN1, 2015-08-27
@SerzN1

I apologize in advance. decided to write my humble opinion
- discipline
- quality
- elaboration
- technical process
- checklists
- level of projects
- art director setting the direction
- feedback from more experienced associates
and something else you can definitely add
based on the principle of 80 to 20 - 80%, to put it mildly, the
entire low level freelancing - the maximum average level (exceptions only confirm the rule)
I think it’s not necessary to say what you can learn in the office
if they offer anything at all - that’s good, another question if they didn’t offer at all
and the most important thing I noticed - freelance designers are usually complete lazy people doing projects for a minimum period of time for fabulous money (UX UI ... a lot of useful but empty words)
everyone wants to CUT the loot quickly
the most important question is "are you worth what you offer?", because freelancers greatly overestimate themselves for the most part. therefore, a reduction in salary is applicable in your case, but a probationary period of 4 months is no good.
Yes, offices that say “we are cool” or “we are number 1” are rather bravado, you need to look at the approach to the process, which you can hardly see remotely (how I don’t like these expectation-reality pictures)
I think another experience gained in a leading company would benefit anyone, but on the other hand, those units from top developers no longer need such experience

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mofecuju, 2016-03-04
@mofecuju

On a full-time job is a different experience.
A freelancer has a very different experience.
Worth it for the experience.

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