Freedom of choice or work as a programmer in research institutes - what is better for you?

Question

IT education

Hello toaster.
At the moment I'm studying in the 11th grade, everything is fine with programming. Since the summer, I began to consider different options for admission, and I was interested in the option of targeted admission.
Now, of course, it’s still too early to draw conclusions about my USE scores, but I’m unlikely to get the amount that I expected for admission to Moscow / St. Petersburg universities (no, don’t be lazy, but that’s not the point). In search of the "right" path, I came to 2 options:
1. To enter regional universities that are quite well known in the IT field (for example, KFU, TPU, UrFU), on a budget, study there for a bachelor's degree and receive a master's degree already in Moscow. The main plus is that I know that I can independently manage my activities and choose internships / get a job wherever I want; I will be able to choose a direction for myself, and not related to the activities of research institutes, I will not need to work for several years with the employer.
2. To enter Moscow universities (for example, Baumanka) on a target basis and study there for a bachelor's degree. The only thing that scares me is dependence on the employer and, perhaps, work in research institutes for several years because, frankly, not the best salaries, the use of not the newest technologies. Of course, working in an office in a team where you know each other, share responsibility and are interested in a successful product is better and, in my opinion, even generates some competitive spirit.
Summing up, I want to know: how do you look at this situation, which path would you choose and is it worth getting involved in the target at all? In which case, in your opinion, you can win more?
Thanks for the answer!

Answer 1

1. Be sure to go to university in Moscow time, forget about the regions
   
2. Choose the university that is easier to get into on a budget (any IT topic will suit). It is desirable that the university was not demanding and did not interfere with self-study. On the diploma everyone will still be in parallel
   
3. Learn programming yourself, do not count on the mystical "programming base" that universities allegedly provide
   
4. In parallel, look for free courses / internships / programming schools and go there if you can pass the competition (hh school, Yandex programs, etc.)
   
5. After your bachelor's degree, go look for a job if you don't stay at the company where you do your internship (which is exactly what happens with smart newbies)
   

Answer 2

In place of the TC, Drno would have avoided this advice for the following reasons:
- the lack of fundamental education will not allow (okay, let's be honest, it will complicate at times) you become a highly paid specialist (I have seen many times when a person with 5 years of experience cannot tell how difficult it is to get a list and hashmap and what is better to use. MB for "freelancing on upwork" is not important, but nevertheless)
- lack of education will close (or greatly complicate) the choice of employers around the world for you (very rare employer will want to hire someone without a diploma and bother with your visa + the lack of a diploma is the reason for the denial of a work permit in many European countries.Sometimes it can be replaced with experience, but it also does not always work)
- As a student, I worked from the first year: at first it was shabashki, and then in my specialty from the second year. And I was as free as a freelancer after 11th grade.
In general, it is better to get a diploma and prop the door on it, but at the right time to get it and show your dreams to the employer, than to earn now more than students, but stay at this level in the future.
Answering your original question - for me, a regional university is better. If this is not "Horns and Hooves", of course, but some more or less normal university. Attachment to the employer - it can very severely distort your experience and skills, after which you will not be able to join normal development and it will be difficult to retrain

Answer 3

1. Not really. You will have to knock out your mouth based on what is on the market and RFP. Everyone wants to eat, no one will provide for you.
2. Too strong binding and dependence. This is bad (my opinion)
My choice is 11 classes and then freelancing. So I live, for quite a long time ... Yes, I studied at a university for a couple of years, but I came to the conclusion that there is zero knowledge in my specialty. I got more after graduating from "college" ...
And yes, I worked somewhere, did something. When the bosses got tired, the offices and the idealism in them completely went to freelance.
You manage your time yourself, in 99% of cases only you yourself are to blame. Conveniently practical, and work according to any schedule)

Answer 4

A little information about me:
- diploma "laser systems in rocketry and astronautics". do not ask why, it happened
- 32 years, about 12 years of experience
- income with five zeros, far from one in front of them
- full stack + hybrid mob applications on freelance
- working week no longer than 40 hours
Damn, this education is not needed, as for me. Well, you can’t answer the question about the complexity of get - so what? I was asked exactly once (at an interview about 8 years ago) and when I didn’t answer it was just an excuse to reduce my salary. But the office was not the only one, and in another I was offered the desired salary without these questions. Just look for adequate customers / employers, they are always there.
I really regret that after the 11th grade I did not go to freelance, but studied for 5.5 years, and in a specialty that no one needed. Would not study - would earn the sum with six zeros.
And in the Russian Federation, salaries in companies are lower, and much less than those offered by foreign companies for remote work

Answer 5

And where are you located if you plan to enter TSU?
I graduated from university about 10 years ago, and if I had been kicked well then, had very successful friends in the IT field, I would not have gone down the same path. I graduated from the city university, and the best subjects there were humanities. And algorithms. But then I thought very down to earth, and did not know what I wanted.
You have a lot of ways to develop, and it's great that you are right now thinking about what you are going to do next. I will give important points that I should have paid attention to 10 years ago.
1) If you go to university - then to applied computer science or computer science in business, everything else will kill your desire to learn. The same mathematicians howl from their studies. Make sure that your parents do not pay for you, this is important when choosing a university. You do not need more from the university at this stage. After NSU and NSTU, they go out into the adult world as exactly the same helpless kittens. And do not forget that IT is developing very quickly, and the same mathematics and algorithms, and the humanitarian base remain at the core. If parents have money, then perhaps a European university will be more interesting than Moscow.
2) Note that it is very important that you do not spend yourself working at McDonald's, freelancing, etc. You can still work. Spend 5 years of study as an important breakthrough in your future life.
3) Study in parallel. Schools Mail, Yandex, Megafon, etc. Participate in parties, hackathons, conferences. Here you will get more knowledge than at the university.
4) If possible, dodge the army. She is of no use to you. In extreme cases, even pay off.
5) Apply for the Green Card Lottery. There are no comments here. But in the 5 years that you will apply, there is a good chance of winning the lottery. And so you just need a higher education.

Answer 6

The first option is clear. The second one has too many disadvantages, and the second option will take more money (life in Moscow is expensive, and if you don’t get a hostel)

Answer 7

I would advise you to go to a Moscow university, or to a top one like Moscow State University, where, in theory, they will give you knowledge (xs, as it really is, but they say that everything is ok there) or one that will not interfere with self-education in order to get a diploma purely for show.
In MSC in order to find a part-time job (or internship) on the 3-4 course and get real experience, preferably in a good company.
And even better - to go abroad and a couple of years after graduation from the university already have permanent residence.

Answer 8

Enter Moscow universities (for example, Baumanka)

In Baumanka you will forget what free time is. Accordingly, there will be no self-education and no opportunity to combine it with work-practice, and universities do not provide applied programming skills.

Answer 9

If possible, better without a target.
The best way after high school is to first get into some big, strong company, where you will see how to do it right (both in programming itself, and in organizing it, and in general around). In a couple of years, you will be able to understand what you are interested in - highly loaded systems, parallel processes, complex software architectures, machine learning. Maybe in general management or analytics. Then it will be possible to move in this direction (in the same company or look for another).

Answer 10

try to get the best and most prestigious education that is available to you.
if there is a possibility of a conditional "Bauman on the target" - grab this opportunity with both hands and still bite your teeth for a guarantee. if it is necessary for this, in addition to digging a garden in the evenings dancing a polka butterfly, dig a garden.
most likely, the university party will pass through you throughout your life. acquaintances, connections, opportunities.