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Alexandra Kulanova2019-01-20 19:54:55
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Alexandra Kulanova, 2019-01-20 19:54:55

Do I understand correctly that they are going to isolate Russia from the “global Internet” altogether?

Close access to it "ordinary citizens"?
Or am I misinterpreting high-profile media headlines?

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Saboteur, 2019-01-20
@saboteur_kiev

The government of the country wants to get a lot of dough from the entire industry, which is somehow spinning on the Internet.
Therefore, the government wants a tool with which it can shut off the oxygen to any project, and in which case, crush it for itself, because for many projects that seem to be making money in the Russian Federation, mask shows are ineffective - and torrents, and block chains and online casinos and freelancers and much more - it is difficult to catch, because there is no office, the servers may be in another country, the domain is registered in another country, and even the employees themselves - no one knows where.
Another issue is that the Internet is an international network, and it is rather problematic to cut off the oxygen for a specific project with one lever. But the loot is so tempting that they cut down the forest - it’s not chips anymore, but logs fly, but the official, ugh, the oligarchs don’t care, in addition, those who make the decision have a too vague idea of ​​\u200b\u200bwhat is generally happening in the networks, how it works, and even those more how it works under the hood. But he does not want to listen to anyone, so there are stupid bills, non-working technologies at all levels of vertical power.
A completely closed Russian Federation is a very losing option, since the example of China will not pull the Russian Federation (it was necessary to start 30 years ago, when so much business was tied to the Internet), now to block the Internet - there will be a crisis worse than the 90s. But this cannot be ruled out. It will be better than in North Korea, at least at the expense of resources, but in general - very bad.
Another point - such projects are a plan for years. 5-10 years. And no one in the Russian Federation knows how to plan for such a time. Therefore, no one will undertake to predict what it will result in at least 3 years later.

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stratosmi, 2019-01-20
@stratosmi

No.
This is not even in China with their capabilities.
Just cutting down 100% is not difficult - you don’t even need to fence such a garden.
They do it just in case. The usual measure to preserve the independence of the country.
The Internet has become an important part of the modern world. And such things the state has always controlled.
It's amazing why it's so late.
As an example of the previous stage:
Until recently, the US ruled the naming system on the Internet and could easily collapse. For many years, everyone who can afford it has been purposefully taking measures so that the United States does not control their Internet.
But yes, isolation is technically possible.
However, complete isolation does not require this. It would be possible to cut down the Internet by 100% in a simpler way.

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Alexander, 2019-01-20
@alexr64

Who admits this to you? So, to organize the technical possibility of working capacity in the absence of uplinks ...

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athacker, 2019-01-21
@athacker

No, it's wrong.
Some of the laws that have been trying to regulate the Internet lately are nonsense and nonsense, of course. For example, Yarovaya's law is complete trash. It is not technically feasible.
But the law that restricts foreign participants in the ownership of backbone traffic exchange points on the territory of the Russian Federation, or the law that is designed to ensure the routing of local traffic only through the networks of the Russian Federation - from the point of view of risk management are quite justified, in the current political situation. And it's not just about isolation, but also about the ability to control cross-border traffic. The threat landscape is now such that this is a technically difficult but necessary measure. And to one degree or another, all states are engaged in this, to the extent that the technical / financial means for this are available. Control not for "likes and reposts", but for real threats to critical information infrastructure (see 187-FZ).
Another question is that the implementation can be crooked, and, like any tool, this law can be used for evil. As well as with a hammer - you can put someone on the head. But in general it is a tool for construction.
Even the law that gives the RKN the right to block resources is also more useful than harmful. Because 99.999% of the block list are sites selling drugs, dens, brothels and online casinos. Politicians there are thousandths of a percent. Yes, the implementation of locks is lame on both legs. Yes, the method of adding to the lists and especially deleting from the lists is even more lame. But in general, a tool is needed, it was just necessary to think carefully about all the mechanisms and methods before putting everything into action. In our country, unfortunately, they often begin with the adoption of a law and putting it into effect, and then - "maybe somehow it will all settle down by itself."
Returning to the draft law on the autonomous operation of the Runet, in my opinion, there are at least three problems that it should solve:
1) Peering control. Often, providers are not able to agree on a direct traffic exchange between their subscribers. And then it really turns out that traffic from one Moscow office to another goes through AMS-IX, for example. Most often, the reason for the unattainability of an agreement is greed :-)
2) Create an autonomous DNS infrastructure. Now the problem is partially solved, since there are root NS servers on the territory of the Russian Federation.
3) Have your own CAs to implement PKI. Now in Russia it is possible to create a PKI, but none of the software vendors will add it to the trusted lists. But it is possible to provide for such a requirement in the law. And then, relying on this law, it will be possible to put pressure on vendors, citing the fact that "if you want to do business in Russia, please expand the list of trusted CAs." Well, over time, this CA will fall into all such lists, including abroad. In the current situation, if access to the servers of foreign CAs (Comodo, Let's Encrypt, DigiCert. Thawte) is somehow violated, then information systems within the Russian Federation will have a lot of problems, because a lot of services will simply stop working due to inability to check the validity of certificates.

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CityCat4, 2019-01-20
@CityCat4

No.
Conducted exercises on the subject of "Internet in a nuclear war." Or, if you wish, "Internet in Russia under the conditions of the global white list" :)
There are blocking sites - but they are bypassed. The cart seems to have been banned - but it works somewhere. What's the next level of control? That's right - the white list. Not a Chinese model, but a North Korean one :)

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