Choosing a university for a future programmer in Moscow?

Question

IT education

Who can tell me where it is better to go to study if I plan to become a programmer in the future (yes, I know that this is a very inaccurate description).
So far I’m choosing between the VMK of Moscow State University (it’s hard to do it, I wouldn’t think so again), MAI (most likely I’ll go here, but then which faculty to choose?), MIREA (I haven’t decided yet whether I want to go here).
I want more computer science and mathematics and little physics.

Answer 1

As a result, he entered the VMK MSU on the specialty PMI.

Answer 2

I'll try to go the other way. Do you need higher education?
1. Now the need for a diploma is very doubtful, especially for an IT specialist. None of my many interviews raised the question of education. Friends and colleagues agree with me.
2. Is it worth spending 5-6 years of life on studying, cramming, conflicts with teachers, bribes and other hardships and hardships of student life? From my own experience, I can report that 80-90 percent of these efforts will not be in demand in real life.
3. Is a diploma required? Who said that? Most likely parents. They, as immigrants from the USSR, “know” and “are sure” that a diploma of higher education is the key to a brighter future. Unfortunately or fortunately, those days are over.
I have a bachelor's degree from the Kiev Polytechnic University (NTUU "KPI"), Faculty of Informatics and Calculus. technicians (FIVT), specialty: automation of control in technical systems. Accurate to the department, this is considered the coolest IT education in Ukraine. And I think that 4.5 years have passed in vain ... Someone will most likely object, but, from my point of view, many subjects were absolutely useless: cultural studies, languages, history, philosophy, life safety, ... There were many "iron" courses , which I, who have chosen a software direction for myself, have not seen use and still do not see. And there were courses on development and administration... Most of the material taught was stuck about 15-20 years ago, which in our time is almost tantamount to a loss of relevance. And from the point of view of the method of conveying knowledge and the involvement of the teacher in the process,
Total:
When we were taught a course on HTML under the loud name "web design" (in the best traditions: green on red, frames, tables), I had read all the manual a long time ago, and had several desktop books on design, HTML, Javascript, was familiar with the work of the Lebedev Studio and similar major players.
When everyone studied graphics in pure Pascal, I ignored the generally accepted canons and used a self-written graphics library on ASM, which gave crazy performance in comparison, which often caused the unjust anger of the teacher, who did not understand anything in my writings, but could not do anything: the tasks were performed and the probability of finding ±the same job on the thread was about zero.
When everyone was cramming some prehistoric bullshit (no one understood why it was needed), I was sleeping or working. As a result, this brought me a lot of difficulties when passing.
When everyone taught Netware administration, I only scooped for myself some fundamental aspects of administration and watched how the popularity of the netware tends to go down.
Of the 4.5 years spent at the institute, I can only name a few subjects that somehow turned out to be useful to me: linear algebra, probability theory and mathematics. statistics, software engineering, administration, ASM 8086 (very few), cryptography. This is about 5-10% in the dry residue.
All this did not prevent me from earning money and working from the 1st year (and actually from school) and independently doing what was interesting to me and seemed useful within the framework of the chosen path.
If I could change something in the past, now I would model my education in a completely different way:
- Sit on freelance, feel the demands of the market and start studying an interesting / profitable area on my own.
- Go to work, perhaps at first even “for food”, to gain experience in a team and real conditions.
- Graduate from an economic school (not a high school, of course, but not the faculty of any institute, optimally 0.5-1 year of study), accounting and something basic from jurisprudence. This knowledge is often lacking.
— Periodically attend specialized and general social seminars, workshops, courses.
— Generate ideas and model their implementation in your business.
— Profit?
The purpose of this message is not to convince, but to show a slightly different point of view and provoke an analysis of their needs and realities. Chat with people of the chosen profession and with those who have already graduated from the university and have worked for several years. I think their experience will be helpful.
In any case, I wish you good luck and don't become a shitcoder :)
PS: All this chaotic text is written solely from personal experience and the experience of friends/colleagues/acquaintances (as far as I am familiar with their experience) and in no way claims to be an absolute authenticity. If you have questions or objections, you are welcome to dialogue.

Answer 3

It's not WHERE you learn, but HOW you learn

Answer 4

I can recommend my university: MGIU, Faculty of Applied Mathematics and Technical Physics, majoring in Mathematical Support and Administration of Information Systems.
A lot of mathematics (although, of course, less than on the VMC), a lot of programming (languages: Ruby, Java, Haskell, Prolog, C / C ++), little physics. Lots of good teachers. From the 4th course, you can fully work.

Answer 5

If you want to be a hard coder and work for everyone - go to VMK, they teach you there.
If you want to manage coders and run your own business, go to HSE.
I think that a reasonable person will understand how the old school (about VMK) differs from the “new” one (HSE). In no case do I want to offend VMK, but they really teach programmers there, hard ones, so that they know when to stack, when to pile) I am an adherent of working “for myself”, but rather “for myself”, that's why I went at the faculty of "Software Engineering" in the tower. They also teach coding there quite well (in the 1st year they studied c #, in the second - Java + c ++ with algorithms. By the way, there is no physics, but the programmer should still know it. But there is all sorts of general dregs, such as sociology, philosophies and stories. But it’s understandable, you need to manage people skillfully) In short, the conclusion is this - you want to be smart, so that everyone wants you and code soundly - on the VMC. If you want to be someone you don’t know, rely on chance and cool ideas for your business — or go to HSE)

Answer 6

If you enter MAI, then only at the Faculty of Applied Mathematics and Physics. Specialties in other faculties with the words "applied computer science ..." should not be considered (it's not unfounded, I get the first tower just in such a Galima specialty).
I myself am now studying applied mathematics at the Moscow Aviation Institute at the second tower, I am very pleased. But, as far as I know, diaries will need to earn their cherished place at the Department of Computational Mathematics and Programming by diligent study, because C students are assigned just to physics. At least that was the case before.
As for physics, there is practically no physics at the MAI in this specialty, just as there are no left-handed subjects related to aircraft construction. Even economists at MAI have a lot of engineering and descriptive subjects, but not in computational mathematics. But mathematical disciplines will rinse the brain fairly. Matan, as far as I know, diaries last 2 years, plus all sorts of diffuses, urmats, and so on.))

Answer 7

MSTU IU6, IU7, AK5. The specialty of PS6 is good because they will teach you how to program, work with networks and manage databases. “Less math” is you in vain :)

Answer 8

Of course, the National Research University Higher School of Economics (former State University Higher School of Economics). Questions why it is possible and in private :)

Answer 9

I can offer the faculty of IU at the Bauman Moscow State Technical University, just look at the departments. PS7, 9 - I know that ok. There is not enough physics, but there will be, and there will also be drawing and other non-programming subjects, but it will go for development;) At the end there are many, many special items. As a rule, everyone works from the 4th or 5th year and is already getting a good salary.
Training is 6 years, unlike those mentioned. To enter depending on the department, I still don’t understand these exams of yours :) Previously, there was a passing score from 8.5 to 10.0 out of 10 depending on the department and year.

Answer 10

at MAI 8, the Faculty of Applied Mathematics is waiting for you. a friend says for the first semester about 6 programs were handed over. prog on C, python and toad (optional).

Answer 11

MPEI department of VT is a very, very good option.

Answer 12

to ksusha: economists at the MAI are mostly applied, that is, directly related to aviation, but the economist who does not know his production is bad => drawings, at the initial stage, must be done

Answer 13

MSTU Stankin, Faculty of INTECH, etc. Department of Applied Mathematics.
Almost all mathematical subjects require programming, and not shit.
Physics 3 semesters, but not difficult and a little more than an in-depth school course.
On the plus side, you can work at the same time.
Of course, 20% of non-core subjects - 80% of the time, but not difficult, just stupid and monotonous ...

Answer 14

Baumanka, PS6, I don’t know how it is now, 3 years ago it was hard to study, but even after 3.5 courses I have enough for a lot. It’s a pity that you can’t recover for a study or a party, because. it simply does not exist, they try to maintain the brand of quality education.

Answer 15

Graduated from the 8th faculty of the Moscow Aviation Institute (applied mathematics and physics). They teach well, if there is a desire. As with any daytime course, there is a lot to study, but it is not very difficult to study, especially if you are good at mathematics. Many have already started working in their specialty from 3-4 years of age.
Now I teach at the second higher education there. :) If I had chosen now, I would have chosen a bachelor's degree so as not to waste so much time on subjects that I do not need.

Answer 16

If you want to get qualified first, dance from the items.
I advise you to master all mathematics and programming according to the program and textbooks of the VMK MSU for 1-2 courses. The most important are matan, linal and programming disciplines. Further - perhaps difurs (I don’t remember if they are in the 2nd or 3rd year).
At first, only the first semester of matan and linal is better than Dolby, then you can already take on the study of programming in parallel. And in parallel - for practice - solving online problems, or writing simple programs, or participating in open source. Or work :)
With this approach, you will expand and formalize your thinking (matan will come in handy, even if you don’t realize it :), and you will receive programming training.
Then you can forget about mathematics, if there is no particular interest, study purely industrial programming. It’s bad with this at the VMK, it’s best IMHO not to rely on universities, but you decide for yourself.

Answer 17

I study at MEPhI. There is a lot of talk about the fact that MIREA is a sharaga.

Answer 18

If you are stupid and proud, go to Moscow ...
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Answer 19

For some reason, the question came to life exactly 5 months after the appearance.
I passed the exam well, now I am preparing for internal mathematics at the VMK. If I suddenly fail to enter the VMK, I will definitely go to the 8th faculty of the Moscow Aviation Institute.

Answer 20

Go to MIPT (Dolgoprudny)
At MIREA, they don't teach programming a damn thing. No, if you yourself already know something and know how to do something, then you will be gladly accepted. You will be noticed in the department, in the third year, it’s really possible to get an invitation from a teacher to work (because a lot of teachers, at least at my IT department, work outside the institute) and a good one ... But this is all only on one condition - you will learn to program yourself, and then show off your knowledge and skills.
The pluses include the fact that there is a very cheap second tower in English, cheaper than in all other institutions. And the second tower is a useful thing. In addition to the tower, you can get a bunch of certificates such as FCE, CAE and some new European one, which will be recruited from next year. Plus, there are some additional paid features like the CISCO academy (for system administrators) and some other goodies.
Although sometimes useful things are told here, but if you go here, make sure that your basic department is not at MIREA)) In general, the institute cooperates with a bunch of enterprises, but it also has graduating departments. So, 98% of the basic departments of the institute teach morons and the teachers don’t even have the motivation to teach them something more because they still won’t understand. But from the base outside the institute there are good chances to fly out if nothing is done. Well, they won’t let you fly out, but they will transfer you to a group with a base at the institute, but as a result, they teach much better at external bases.
Well, the last plus is the military commissar. They don’t like her, a lot of people fly out of her, but so far this is one of the few effective ways to hang back, having received a reserve lieutenant))