Are there ways to have a discussion on Habré without getting minuses in karma?

Question

Habr

I would like to discuss this topic. Is there any truth?
According to my observations: those who agree with you put a plus in the comment; those who do not agree - minus karma.

Answer 1

Fuck it. Let them minus themselves)

Answer 2

No, you can’t close your pluses and minuses on habré, habr is not even a society, it’s more like a fight club, someone didn’t like something - get it on the scoreboard. =) Like they wanted to make an ideal self-government, but it turned out to be another utopia, where really smart people are up to their ears in minuses, just because someone who doesn’t know is more eloquent =)

Answer 3

Can we try to offset this effect a little? For example, take this rule. You see a heavily downvoted comment - look at the profile. If karma <10 - support. At the same time, I mean that the comment, although downvoted, is quite adequate: no swearing, no insults, not stupid, on topic, etc. Why 10? To have a small margin, since from time to time a couple of minuses can be grabbed almost randomly; yet the people here dofiga and the most different. The variance of adequacy is very large :)

Answer 4

Habr, if you like, is a kind of online game, where the pros and cons of comments, posting and karma are elements of a Skinner box.
Therefore, the most neutral post or message can and will be appreciated. And it's not always adequate. See paragraph 3 of the article on Habré.

Answer 5

I personally minus karma if a person uses some extremist, Nazi and other remarks in his comment. Also, if a person starts to post obscene language in an unreasonable way instead of comments.

Answer 6

-Что же я должен делать? - простонал Ипполит Матвеевич.
- Вы должны молчать. Иногда для важности надувайте щеки.
- Но ведь это же... обман.
- Кто это говорит? Это говорит граф Толстой? Или Дарвин? Нет. Я слышу
это из уст человека, который еще вчера только собирался забраться ночью в квартиру Грицацуевой и украсть у бедной вдовы мебель. Не задумывайтесь. Молчите. И не забывайте надувать щеки.
- К чему ввязываться в такое опасное дело? Ведь могут донести.
- Об этом не беспокойтесь. На плохие шансы я не ловлю. Дело будет поведено так, что никто ничего не поймет

Answer 7

Empirically, the following trend was revealed:
There are at least three contradictory (if not more mutually exclusive) active roles on Habré:
1) Writers
2) Commentators
3) Electorate The
passive role of "Readers" is not related to the question posed.
>> Are there ways to have a discussion on Habré without getting minuses in karma?
Method 1: You need to have a SEPARATE account for each role.
What it gives:
1) Maintaining the ability to publish posts while maintaining positive karma at a level sufficient for publication, but insufficient for voting.
2) Preservation of the possibility of conducting an active discussion on Habré without regard to getting minuses in karma and rating.
3) Maintaining the ability to vote regardless of published posts and comments.

Answer 8

Your karma is positive, you can write topics. What is the problem? =)

Answer 9

Continue to communicate, hoping and expecting that the number of adequate people will exceed the critical mark,
behave yourself the way you would like to be conducted with you (do not be lazy to put pluses in karma yourself?)
But, yes, habr is not suitable for really open communication … Few of those present like criticism.

Answer 10

Fuck karma. You really want to write an article - you can always create a new question, if the topic is interesting - they will raise karma to 5 :-)

Answer 11

The usual problems of democracy are that the majority rules, but the majority does not have to be smart or tolerant.

Answer 12

the problem is that when you express your opinion, they can downvote ...

Answer 13

When I simply do not agree and express any criticism, they immediately merge me. So habr is not a place for discussion, this is a place for karmodrochers, etc... In short, you yourself know...

Answer 14

It’s a pity that you can’t see for which particular comment they put a minus in karma, you have to guess (or maybe I just didn’t find it? ..). However, lately I have been writing a little and it has become quite simple.
I concluded that I most often put minuses in karma for my opinion. In the spirit of "I like *something* better." At the same time, the post may contain an argumentation of the positive qualities of what I like and the negative about competitive options is completely absent - it doesn’t matter. Apparently, there are always those who disagree with any opinion, and those who disagree quite strongly, but everyone else does not find this type of comment useful enough.
The benefits are much more difficult to deal with. In addition to the pluses received in Q / A, all the rest look completely random. I had comments with a bunch of pluses with zero change in karma, and comments with minuses, for which pluses were put in karma.

Answer 15

I always add to karma and comments if I strongly agree with the speaker. For a bad comment, I either put a minus comment, or don’t touch it at all, but enter into a discussion. Sometimes we even continue the battles in private messages, so as not to breed a flood. Minus karma only to inadequate trolls who write off topic, offend others, in general, conduct an unconstructive dialogue.
If everyone does this, then the trolls will be afraid to blab, and adequate people will not be afraid to enter into a constructive argument. In which, by the way, truth is born ...

Answer 16

The fact is that the majority of those discussing do not think at all whether the interlocutor (and readers) is interested in their opinion. Even if you are right and you have “concrete facts”, this does not mean at all that others will be interested in reading your comment. Change the approach from “proving someone wrong”, “showing your point of view” to the question “whether others would be interested to know my opinion”. If you answer “yes” to yourself, then no one will downvote you.

Answer 17

Write to interlocutors in a personal phrase from your profile “about yourself”? )) In fact, there is a tendency described above, apparently, they approve favorably, but disagree earnestly)

Answer 18

No, there are no ways.
For your own opinion expressed here, you will be merged - someone who agrees with you will upvote the comment, but all those who disagree will go to the profile and press the minus button.

Answer 19

I noticed that my karma is especially famously reduced when I try to actively participate in copyright discussions. It melts right before our eyes))))))
At the same time, I try never to take sides - neither copyright infringers, nor copyright holders. As a rule, I just try to explain to people why everything is the way it is, from the point of view of the law. But no, the explanation apparently does not suit a certain part of those participating in the discussion)))

Answer 20

The actual question, I honestly also did not understand why I was lowered my karma after the second comment. At what I just registered, wrote a couple of comments on you too. Moreover, the comments themselves were positive, and it’s really strange.

Answer 21

tenshi.habrahabr.ru/blog/ a banal example, not quite a fool, he wrote both good articles and shit (who among us is not without sin?), but he doesn’t know how to express thoughts normally, as a result, he’s up to his ears in minuses.

Answer 22

In the real world, the situation is about the same. If you liked some services, then you don’t always go to talk about it or write on Twitter. But if someone was rude or tried to throw, then all your friends will know about it.
True, even a small remark addressed to a commentator or author can be considered rude here.

Answer 23

docomo, see what a discussion! It was necessary to write a post, comments are more convenient there. Although not, they would have leaked karma ...

Answer 24

No. But if you really want to post your topics on Habré, you can simply not comment on other people's. Or write smart thoughts on your personal blog, and here you only troll a comment per hour. The second gives me more than begging for karma and shaking for every word.

Answer 25

- do not think about karma, let it float freely

If you do not think about it, then the day may come when you will not be able to share knowledge with others, because you are a second-class person with low karma.

Answer 26

Get a job at TM?

Answer 27

The main problem is the anonymity of those who vote for karma. On the same Lepre or Dirty, just like that, it will come out sideways to minus everyone, they will look and answer in the same way.

Answer 28

Another thought came. Anger, hatred, indignation, anger and other negative emotions have a greater driving force than respect, approval, love ... The impulse of negative emotions is much stronger.

Answer 29

I want to give everyone a simple example: you write with specific facts that Yandex does not sue the FSB after leaking information to the Nazis, and this indicates who they are friends with and how they respect their customers.
Immediately there is a bunch of minuses in karma.
Although most likely it is the Yandex employees themselves who are minus :)

Answer 30

Of course not. Can you imagine what a thrill it is to come home on Friday evening, sit down at the computer and throw cons at everyone because they have cooler avatars than yours or jokes are more fun than yours ...

Answer 31

For a couple of weeks I didn’t log in to Habr, I didn’t write comments for more than a month - they merged the Habr from 8 to 0. It’s just a shame.