Why change karma without explaining the reason?

Question

Habr

On many sites / portals where I am registered, if there is karma / reputation there, then when changing it, you must indicate the reason. Why isn't this here?

Answer 1

99% will be reasons like:
ytsytsyts
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fdlkdfjkldfjdf
clkvcpocvopvczschova
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Do you need it?

Answer 2

I solved this issue for myself a long time ago. Man, as you know, is basically evil. To make zapadlo to the average person is much more pleasant than good. And if it's anonymous, then it's generally for a sweet soul. That is why there is not a single even medium-sized community that does without regulatory functions (police, teacher, guru, ...).
So I do not strain and calmly relate to my minuses. Of course, I won’t be able to write anything - but this makes Habr worse, not me (IMHO).

Answer 3

Here is what the old-timers of Habr answered my question, why are they cruelly minus?
> For interesting, useful and adequate thoughts, no one has ever minus anyone.
So guys, write interestingly, adequately + competently! If we just want to troll, we go to another site / Asya / Skype, etc. No options!

Answer 4

What about the meaning? If they want to downvote, they will downvote.

Answer 5

On D3 and leprosy, all votes are not anonymous, what kind of comments, what kind of posts and karma. Everything is transparent to everyone. Works great, I want to tell you.

Answer 6

It also seems to me that it would be nice to introduce an indication of the reason and give everyone else the opportunity to watch. Then you can evaluate the adequacy of the user by looking at whom and for what he is minus.

Answer 7

Introduce deanonymization of voting karma. Every minus and plus. A mandatory meaningful explanation of the minus (a plus is not necessary, although it would not hurt either, because I was not plused by enchanting abilities, but for a variety of reasons, some of which are not related to IT topics, but I don’t like it). If vratsdmratsuydomdyldrmyaylfmod, then the downvoted person has the right to complain to the moderator (introduce the institution of moderation, as in blogs before) or the administration. Moreover, such disadvantages are unreasonable, do not understand why you should be punished severely, up to the discharge of karma. Well, I think the administration will not burst from the fact that they will have to ban and reset the karma of several dozen inadequate people who are minus just like that. Alizar, Marks or anyone from the team will be able to take a break from reposting ZDNet, Mashable news and spend a couple of weeks on resolving transitional disputes between habrausers.
Because society cannot regulate itself — this is ridiculous, given that the resource has people with different educations and at the age of a high school student up to 40-50-year-old people. If a shkolota merges someone adequate simply because he pointed out the shortcomings of something, and schoolchildren did not accept this for religious reasons, then what kind of self-regulation is there?
Here, for example, abeshkovdeserves karma 2? There is no doubt that it was merged, including for religious reasons, such as "a filthy microsoft worker, dared to say a word against Linux." But the fact that he works at Microsoft does not prevent him from being a highly qualified specialist. The question arises why, for example, I have a karma of about 60, although I do all sorts of crap like laughter, jokes and petrosianism, and such a specialist has a karma of 2, although the articles are all practically useful and applicable? And there are a lot of specialists like Andrey on Habré who can’t do anything, because it’s too lazy to put a plus on habrausers, and it’s a sacred thing to give a shit anonymously into karma.
So, Bumburum, Andrey and I are an indicator of the absurdity of Habr's karmic system. Question to the audience - do you want to see chips. No and reprints of any ZDNet or a real IT resource with topics on solving the most intricate issues with, for example, StackOverflow? If the first, then all sorts of users like me will provide you with it. And the term "habrabl * di" is very popular among trolls merged into zeros from a powerless stupid mockery will become a harsh reality.
Perhaps the system should be changed differently than I suggested, but it is clearly worth changing.

Answer 8

It is enough to make it so that it would be possible to vote for karma only for a comment, topic, etc, and this object is indicated as the reason for the vote, of course, it is not necessary to indicate the author of the vote.
With a personal question, of course, remained, but even there you can think of something. As a last resort, introduce a black list, that is, if a person gets a PM, then you can simply forbid him to write to you and you don’t need to minus for it.
And so I agree, it often happens that you don’t write anything for months, and someone downvotes, rarely upvotes and it’s not known: for the mistakes of youth or for something fresh.
Why is this not here? Why can't comments be edited? Here karma is valuable and the administrators want to protect us from stupid revenge, manipulation, and they didn’t come up with anything better. But that doesn't mean it can't be better.

Answer 9

In general, all plusanul in this topic. Dont be upset.

Answer 10

The main thing is to see why they are minus. Today, someone reduced my karma, for which I don’t know (maybe I offended someone, inadvertently, although it’s unlikely), so I can’t prevent this from happening in the future.

Answer 11

> Why is there no such thing?
Because showdowns and complaints from the administration will begin as “on many sites / portals”. Not in such quantities, of course, but it will be.
It's a shame, yes, especially when you didn't write anything bad, but karma leaves. And he leaves in silence, even if someone wrote, explained in a friendly way.
Draining into a big minus is also not an option. The person then starts to troll even more: insert all sorts of demotivators, meaningless pictures, etc., because he is already in such a minus that he “doesn’t care”.
And, probably, the main disadvantage is that html tags are disabled. You try to help a person, you insert links / pictures, but they are all inactive. It is inconvenient for a person to view and it is inconvenient to help in this way.

Answer 12

It would certainly be good, I hope there will be comments on the change in reputation.
I had karma == 6, I distributed all my 6 votes per day to the authors of interesting topics and newcomers like me. Am I the only one? :)

Answer 13

We have already discussed this issue, but we have not yet come to a common denominator - on the one hand, a good proposal, on the other - what is good about it? Well, imagine, for example, that you don’t even have to write anything there (after all, everyone is lazy), but there will be a drop-down list with a couple of options to choose from - “didn’t like the post”, “didn’t like the comment”, “personal dislike” and something then there still. Well, you will see it, what will change from this? You will only be indignant about the fact that “here the people have gone, they don’t like my posts! Do you have a personal grudge? Yes, I’ll figure you out by IP right now”), etc. If you give free rein to enter arbitrary text, then there may be quite unpleasant things - do you need it? Our support team also does not want to add extra work to disentangle all these dramas. So this is a very debatable point.
My advice to you - do not chase after this karma and rating, if you do not set yourself the goal of conquering the rating) Well, by and large, this does not give anything, just some kind of abstract acquiring indicator. It’s wrong to fall into despair because the rating has suddenly fallen - yes, this is a natural phenomenon, a feature of the algorithm that allows you to keep the user rating more or less relevant. That is, so that one person who wrote a super-mega post does not hang in the top all the time - his rating will fall over time, like everyone else. If you want a rating - write posts (especially in specialized blogs) - you will be happy)

Answer 14

I also think it's good to know why.
Some time after I registered, I got Karma: - 1.0 (1 vote) - although I didn’t do anything like that and if you look at the comments that I wrote, you can see that there are almost no minuses. some pluses. so understand where this bastard came from who with one voice deprived me of the usual joys of life on Habré and placed me in the brave ones.
Most importantly, I now do not even know how to get out of there.

Answer 15

I decided the question of karma for myself simply - but I don’t care about it. And I put only pluses.

Answer 16

In general, I get the impression that people minus karma more willingly than plus))) When you liked something, then + in the article or for the comment, but if you didn’t like it, then you must definitely put a minus in karma. I received quite a few minuses in karma from Apple fans when I criticized (and argued) the essentially patent war in which Apple was one of the actors, although I didn’t say anything against Apple directly. Now I can’t write articles again, and so diligently earned this right

Answer 17

Friends, when will you understand that habr does not refer to “many sites / portals”. The idea and uniqueness of this resource lies precisely in the different ways of thinking and interests of registered users. As in any biosphere, it is necessary to constantly analyze and adapt everything. The reasons for the downvote are different for everyone. Someone for religious reasons, someone downvotes only for insults, someone is so kind that they spend all their votes only on pluses. A set of such entities is - habr. I think that admins are overlooking all these tips for deanonymizing user behavior.

Answer 18

And what for is it necessary? If this function appears, then all sorts of nasty things will be written into it, the minus person will be even more upset, write nasty things and put minuses in response, the administration will begin to complain about inadequate people, “crusades for justice”, etc. In general, a fair percentage of content will be added on Habré that does not carry any benefit and causes negative emotions.
What for?

Answer 19

I wrote to the admins to enter an anonymous comment to minus karma - of course, it remained unanswered.

Answer 20

> Because he will comment where fanatics hang out. And they don’t give a damn that he is on business, without any assumptions there, everything is direct and clear and he observes grammar.
It's not about fanaticism, you see how people behave in this or that topic, who gets downvoted for what and things like that, you need to analyze the essence of the conversation a little and only then write your adapted comments. Look, here we come to a new team, a new job. What do we do? - Adapt, someone will be able to do it quickly, someone for a very long time. It all depends on the person!
Here again, a double-edged sword, there is no single panacea. This question can be procrastinated endlessly, there is a lot of water in it and no one will give a direct answer until they analyze everything themselves and draw the appropriate conclusions, no one will answer our question better than ourselves.

Answer 21

It would be interesting to know the reason for the change. And both positive and negative.

Answer 22

I wrote two articles about Mac solutions, so unfortunate vendor users with ubuntorochers ran in and severely minus the novice (on Habré) author
From now on I swear to write the benefit of having my own standalone
I didn’t think that the local minus public was so outrageous and notorious

Answer 23

Actual question. I myself on Habré quite recently and this question also immediately arose :)
I wrote a letter with such a proposal to the administration, they answered me that I would not like to complicate the system, but at the same time they would think about possible ways.

Answer 24

I also noticed such a thing - on sites where changing karma is non-anonymous (i.e. you can see who, when and for what changed your karma), they change karma mainly for the cause (there is no one that purposefully minuses or pluses)

Answer 25

Answer 26

I came across a similar case that completely changed my worldview. Previously, I idealized Habr's karmo system, thinking that it was ideal, because trolls are quickly merged, and adequate and smart people are always in the black.
As a result, I got the fact that some kind of troll drains my karma every day and happily, in a completely inadequate manner, writes about it on Twitter.
I'm not asking for any upvotes, I'm just sharing food for thought.