Where would you recommend to go, work?

@sesharim2012-03-12 01:24:20

Freelance

@sesharim, 2012-03-12 01:24:20

Good time of day, I caught myself thinking that working from home is already sick, so tired of the monotony.
And I decided to go to some country, maybe even to a warm one, to work, to freelance from there. Especially after hearing that there is a sufficient number of companies that operate, for example, from Thailand.

But the choice is quite difficult, because I would like to choose something that will not create problems with the cost of living, with visas, with conditions. I understand that it is difficult to get everything good at once, but I would like to think everything through as much as possible before leaving.
The choice initially fell on Indonesia, as a friend lives there, and told a lot. That pays $500 a year in an apartment (Solo, Java). Or $250/month for a house in Bali. An absolutely ridiculous amount for food, moto, fitness centers. He also said that the people there are kind.

Another friend advised Dubai, life there is more expensive (you can, of course, live like in Indonesia, but you will share a room with a bunch of “fragrant” builders), but there is a chance, albeit not a big one, to find a job in IT, get a job visa, and continue to live.

Regarding visas, you can not count the probability of obtaining a work visa in Dubai, since it seems that you can buy a visa, it costs about $ 100-150 / month. In Indonesia, surprisingly, it turned out to be a little more difficult. There are tourist visas, where after 2 months a person must leave and enter the country (expensive), or obtain a second type of visa, but there a local person must either vouch for you, or something else. I do not know exactly.
Well, of course, Thailand, but everything seems to be more expensive there? like in Malaysia?

As it turns out in practice - a lot of "something", "within". There is little accuracy, which is why I am writing here, I would very much like to know your opinions and advice. What would you recommend?
I think the criteria by which I choose are as follows: hassle-free visas (you can also renew for a small amount / month), not expensive life (not subject to conditions, the main thing is that there is a minimum presence of them), and so that, if possible, there is where to go , something to see. I plan to go for half a year, a year. And there as you like.

If you find any inaccuracies with visas and prices written here, I repeat - everything is known approximately, from the words of others. I'm writing here for clarification.

I myself am a Ruby on Rails programmer, I also thought about how to go with someone, and using the example of the lingualeo project, organize my own project, or just work for the company, it will probably be interesting. But first you need to solve all the features.

Maybe you have something else to advise, recommend, I will be very happy to listen. Thank you.

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12 answer(s)

Sergey Savostin, 2012-03-12
@savostin

Eh, there was a time when there was a wave “Where to blame” on Habré.
Here's what's left of those days.

karellen, 2012-03-12
@karellen

Convenient in China. There are no problems with the visa. Of course, no citizenship is granted to a foreigner. Apartments of different levels at different prices, from 5 tr. up to 500 tr. according to desires and opportunities, but in general, all housing is very decent - closed green complexes, underground parking, huge windows. In megacities - Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen (I'm in it), Guangzhou - everything is a little more expensive. Let's say a nice apartment is about 20 tr. Food is inexpensive. Civilization, unlike Bali, etc. - clean metro, efficient transport, interchanges, skyscrapers, concrete-glass. The Chinese, although they love to piggyback and talk loudly, are generally very nice people. The level of salaries is in the region of 20 tr., so even with 50 tr. "Freelancers" can live relatively well here. About communication, nightlife, etc. I don't know, I'm 100% sociopath. :)

Puma Thailand, 2012-03-12
@opium

I chose Thailand Pattaya
good and varied food, lots of entertainment.
my blog http://pumainthailand.com/
think it’s never cheap
bali is also not very diverse and would not say that it’s very cheap
in indonesia and the philippines where cheap food is shit and little variety write to
this person habrahabr.ru/users/undr/
there are vacancies for rubists in thailand toli in phuket toli on koh samui

@undr, 2012-03-16
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I can only write about Phuket and only about my experience.
I spend per month:
Renting a house - 19,000 ), 3 condos, in two bedrooms and a common room, in general, a house of European quality. If there are no such requests, then you can rent cheaper from 10,000, but it will be a Thai house, with a poor kitchen. I rented one, also 3-room, on Rawai for 15,000, but Rawai is an expensive place. You can rent a villa with a pool starting from 30,000.
Yes, I forgot to say that these are prices subject to rent from a year, and you need a deposit, about 1-2 monthly
Motobike fees - 3,000.I got a brand new one, but I also rented it for a year. The price is quite low, depending on the season and the model of the bike, it can rise to 5,000.
Any utilities - electricity - 2,000 (3 condos because if there is a pool, it can go up to 4,000-5,000), a gardener - 500, water - 12 (if you leave the tap on for a day, it can run up to 100), Internet - 700 (6Mb), TV - 400, mobile communications - 500 (1,000 with frequent calls to Russia)
Car - 11,000. This is Toyota vios 2005. I also took it for a year. The price is cheap, but you can find cheaper, but it will be something very old. The average price per month is 13,000-15,000 for a completely new Tayota or Honda.
For a day - from 1,000 for a new one, old ones can be cheaper + 3,000-5,000 deposit. It will be returned later if you don’t ruin the car
Gasoline - xs, it’s like driving, about 35-40 baht per liter at a gas station and 50-60 in a machine
Food for 2 and a small child - 10,000-15,000. We cook and eat at home. When he lived alone, he spent the same amount, as he ate in restaurants (the average bill is 200). In general, food is very cheap, and if you eat in Thai eateries, you can cut food costs by 2 times, but this is not for me.
Insurance - about 30 bucks per person for 2 months. We are paid by the company, so I can’t say for sure. Insurance is a must!!!
Visa - 2,000.If you are not alone, then it is better to rent a car and drive yourself, there are a lot of pluses. You do not depend on the psychosis of drivers who drive very famously, you can admire the beauties of Thailand along the way (dozens of waterfalls along the way + other interesting places), 3-4 people and visaran will be much cheaper, you do not wait until the slowest in your group pass control (better spend this time swimming in a waterfall)
If you go to Burma, for example, to the Andaman Club hotel, then they don’t look at the number of stamps in the passport, at least 100500 times leave, but when traveling to Malaysia (for a visa for 3 months) or Bali if a lot of stamps can without a bribe and not let in later.
Kindergarten
- 10,000
In Phuket, the best place for me is Rawai or Nai Harn, but they are expensive =( I was in Krabi, I liked it very much, but I don’t agree on prices. The
Internet here is not the best, but quite suitable, sometimes I even watch movies online normally. Rights must have, as there is
nowhere to walk here, and public transport is very strange.

edogs, 2012-03-12
@edogs

According to the set of parameters, 2 options IMHO
a) Thailand. Classic. This is if freelancing, visas are cheap to renew and you don’t need “tickets back and forth, paid hotel” upon entry. Life is perhaps the cheapest, there is something to see.
b) USA. This is if you aim for a work visa, come on a tourist visa, quickly find an employer, then apply for a work visa. But it is necessary to have a level. Quality life, there is something to see.

askd, 2012-03-12
@askd

I also know the successful experience of working in Bali. A friend has been living there for years.
In Thailand, in my opinion, it is not so easy to work. Although, opinions differ.

ixSci, 2012-03-12
@ixSci

I would recommend first visiting each of the countries under consideration and assessing the prospects for housing there. For example, many advise Pattaya as a great place to live and work. But for me personally, 3-4 hours in Pattaya are enough not to want to see this “city” for at least a year. So it's best to look first.
+ one more feature from Thailand: if you have problems with a Thai (they rob you or something), the Thai will be right, and you will always be a farang (foreign) there and few people will care about your rights there.

Alexander, 2012-03-12
@kryoz

I regularly ask the same question. However, the search field is not so wide - it makes no sense to go somewhere without the prospect of becoming a citizen of this country.
I am personally interested in the Czech Republic now. Canada excluded. The United States is still in question, but in general I would like to live there - that's my dream of an idiot.
In any case, it is better to think things through and assess the prospects. Life is fleeting. You go like this to Thailand to freelance. Well, let's just say things work. You will work for 5 years, and then you will want to feel like a full-fledged person, and not an “intergalactic illegal immigrant” (c), well, such a need will arise 100%. And then the understanding will come that these 5 years have gone down the drain, you will have to start all over again.
Although, of course, the experience gained will later help in a new place.

MiXei4, 2012-03-12
@MiXei4

In Thailand, not much more expensive than in Indonesia, and the conditions are better, in my opinion.
For 10t.r per month you can rent a small house (prices depend on the specific place, Thailand is big)
Food - from 30 rubles per serving of ready-made food. A kilogram of pork - 100 rubles.
In Indonesia, many scold the Internet, in Thailand it is much better with this.
Visa in the region of 2-3t.r per month.

egorinsk, 2012-03-12
@egorinsk

Republic of Sakha (Yakutia).
> Or $250/month for a home in Bali. An absolutely ridiculous amount for food, moto, fitness centers. He also said that the people there are kind.
Well, well, they all say that. and then you come, they take away your passport, lock you in the basement and order you to work 12 hours a day.

Antares19, 2012-03-12
@Antares19

The main thing is to decide how you will earn remotely and what is your budget.
And then, when it becomes clear, you can safely go.
If you don't like living in one country, move to another.
Read about Thai on forum.awd.ru/ www.farangforum.ru/ and thaivisa.com/ .
ps: If the sea is not important, but the budget is important, go to the north of Thailand. A friend is now in Ching Mai for ~ $ 100 rents a neat apartment on a student campus :)
ps: I recommend that you learn how to ride and moto before leaving, or even better, immediately open category A in rights)

AstonMartin, 2012-03-13
@AstonMartin

For a long time he lived in Thailand, now in Bali. If you have any specific questions about these places that are not covered in the blog - ask, I will answer.
PS. IMHO, learning to ride a motorcycle and getting a license, in my opinion, is much easier already in Asia;) Do not forget to take out insurance for at least six months and a cash stash for unforeseen circumstances. It's also a good idea to improve your English a bit.
If you are going to Indonesia (and most likely it will be Bali), then all the practical information is up to date on the BaliForum .