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supliy2021-03-10 14:45:30
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supliy, 2021-03-10 14:45:30

Where to enter after the 9th grade as a back-end developer?

About me: I am engaged in web development, I think that I will move in this direction and further. At the moment, I am closely involved in the development of the VKontakte/Telegram bot constructor. Before that, I was engaged in the development of bots, so I have good experience in this area. I get little money from projects, I have never tried myself in freelancing.
And if there are gaps in knowledge with the front, then with the backend everything is at a confident average level (In my opinion).

A year ago, he stopped his activities as a gamedev developer. He left after another blocking of the game in Google Play. Despite the absurdity of the situation, he did not appeal. The last project - Crazy Party (not advertising), was preparing an update with the addition of an economy and a store, but unfortunately did not have time.

About education:My parents insist that I go to study, of course they don’t force me to go to a certain industry, but they gently hint that if I don’t go anywhere, it won’t be very good for me) I don’t want to think about a techie. I look towards online courses that are so actively advertised. They say it's worth going there with at least a small amount of knowledge, otherwise it will be difficult. Of course, I don’t believe in promises to find a job, but there is a desire to receive new knowledge in a similar format. In addition, I will receive a diploma / certificate at the end. Perhaps useful, suddenly the table will stagger ..

If you study, then only remotely, ready to pay. If it wasn't for the pressure from my parents, I would have stayed at home. School takes a lot of time, so it’s not always possible to devote time to projects and self-education. Getting rid of the school, I will get the opportunity to fully plunge into the world of coding, without unnecessary information. I don’t want to seem like another schoolboy who wants to completely give up on education and earn millions by antics on camera. I want to get new knowledge, but only in those industries that I like.

Plans:After the publication of a global update in my project (the end of March, I hope), I still plan to try freelancing in order to receive additional income that will help change the minds of my parents. Why do I say so? Everything is simple. All my brothers and sister studied, studied for a long time. Now they are working and getting salaries of 20k-50k. At the same time, I, a schoolboy who discovered the world of IT in the 6th grade, currently earns the same amount. The motivation to learn according to ordinary traditions disappears.

Conclusion:

  • What institutions exist for distance learning?
  • What do you think of the courses?
  • In general, your opinion is interesting.

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mkone112, 2021-03-10
@mkone112

I look towards online courses that are so actively advertised.

You don't know how to use search? Grade 9 all things, but not so much ...
All my brothers and sister studied, studied for a long time. Now they work and receive salary 20k-50k

And who said that they studied? I had 100 people on the stream, half even received a diploma. But God forbid, if 5% studied, and they began to hunt them back in the 2nd year. There is an education, and there is a diploma. Do you hear the difference?
The alignment is like this, you can always get a diploma - buy it at kraynak (although xs why). You can drop out of school at any time, and if you suddenly need a certificate - it is obtained in 6 months.
What do you think of the courses?

Very useful, I recommend. For example, Geekbrains - they have an excellent express course on removing rose-colored glasses. When they charge you $ 100,500, and even on credit, and in return they give you a bunch ... uh ... yes, in general, a bunch - you will become much wiser, maybe even understand that you can’t teach something - you can only learn .
If I were you, I would fuck up math, chemistry, physics, biology... that's all. For the rest, I would have scored horseradish, then I would have passed the exam and popped in MFTI (I don’t recommend universities below the level). If you are sure that it is yours, I advise you to do the same.
UPD: at first the question seemed dull to me, but now I read it in its entirety - neighing.
I was engaged in the development of bots, so I have good experience in this area

Plague!
then with the backend everything is at a confident average level

Those. are you middle? Cool - go for an upwork for nk$.
Despite the absurdity of the situation, he did not appeal.

Well, that's logical. Google blocked the project that I spent a lot of time on? Well, to hell with him! There are also courses! Out Geekbrains - I'll make it to the free checkout on time!
I don't want to think about engineering. I look towards online courses that are so actively advertised

but gain new knowledge

It is a masterpiece.
If you study, then only remotely

What kind of nonsense? What does it mean to study remotely? This is when the book is at a distance of 2 meters from you?
ready to pay

For what? For books? For teachers? Both at school are already paid for by the taxes of your ancestors.
School takes up a lot of time

Suddenly!
therefore, it is not always possible to devote time to projects and self-education.

What kind of nonsense? What are you doing at school?
Getting rid of school, I will get the opportunity to fully immerse myself in the world of coding

What's wrong with the school?
without extra information.

What's this? I had 2 extra subjects at school - law and history. I still don’t understand why I need to know the history and laws of a foreign country, if you study in your native country and love all sorts of stories, then you have 0 extra items (I hope you don’t have the subject 'religion'?). More there was not a single superfluous, especially for an engineer, subject. No one.
I'm still planning to try my hand at freelancing.

Good idea! Similarly, 'going to courses', having worked for food - you will get a different point of view.
that will help change the minds of parents

I agree, when you don't get your high school diploma and fly through uni, while earning a hundred bucks freelancing along the way, competing with a crowd of Indians - parents can really change their minds - they will decide that you are hopelessly sensored and fall behind.
The motivation to learn according to ordinary traditions disappears.

What is it? 'Book in teeth and forward'? I don't know of any other way to learn.

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Vasily Bannikov, 2021-03-10
@vabka

What do you think of the courses?

Trash. For you, courses for beginners will no longer be particularly useful.
There are options for getting higher education remotely, but the programs there are usually weaker than in some top universities full-time.
To become a good developer, it is desirable to have experienced colleagues nearby - in the office.

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DDwrt100, 2021-03-10
@DDwrt100

What institutions exist for distance learning?

There are a lot of them, there are even institutes that allow you to study remotely. Google for once.
What do you think of the courses?

Mostly rubbish, and they do not replace systemic education. You can learn technology, but with reservations, and you need to choose wisely.
In general, your opinion is interesting.

You need a systematic education, you can choose any university and study remotely. At the exit, you will receive a diploma and a bachelor's degree. This does not give any guarantees of your employment. Yes, and the quality of knowledge in IT disciplines is lame there. But let's say this, in more or less large places, they will talk to you, and not just throw your resume into the trash, or the conditions at the entrance will be better, and the absence of a diploma will not slow down career growth.
To improve your knowledge, read various literature, and not only on programming. Try to understand how everything works in IT, what is used, and how. Here you can also take courses on topics that interest you.
And so that the knowledge is not theoretical, try to get a job somewhere as a programmer, at least as an intern.

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nApoBo3, 2021-03-10
@nApoBo3

If you have a goal, it is achievable, you know how to achieve it and have an implementable plan to achieve it, it is achievable in the foreseeable future and its achievement will allow you not to depend on the assessment of your education by society, while the only thing that separates you from this goal is lack of time which the school eats up from you, then don’t go anywhere. Education can then catch up.
But everything that is described above is such a rare exception that it is at the level of mythology.
So go to 11th grade.
Those. those who see their goal and are punchy enough to achieve it despite the opposition of society do not ask for advice on the toast about it.

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Novel, 2021-03-16
@procode

Get a job and that's it. If you are a good back - you will have a hundred a month or more, rent a hut - your parents will not buzz in your ears))

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12rbah, 2021-03-10
@12rbah

School takes a lot of time, so it's not always possible to devote time to projects and self-education ... Getting rid of school, I will get the opportunity to completely plunge into the world of coding, without unnecessary information.
It sounds good, of course, but most likely it won’t work out so easily, especially since summer is coming and 3 months of vacation, during which you can “plunge into the world of coding”, and IMHO, if you really don’t have enough time, then you would have long ago reduced the time spent to study at school in all subjects that you do not need.
I'm still planning to try freelancing.
No one will forbid you, of course, but it would be better to look for an internship program.
For work, of course, it is not necessary to graduate from a university, but there is a possibility that this may interfere with a number of career issues, because. in the Russian Federation, almost everyone has a diploma, and its absence is often an occasion to reproach once again. And from personal experience, people who talk about "you don't need a university for IT work" fall into a stupor when you ask them how TCP differs from UDP or are shocked when they ask you to implement a substring search algorithm in a string (why? there is the same as the standard tool for searching for a substring), in general, the answer to these questions is not necessary to know, but there is a peculiarity that someday this knowledge may be needed and you will have to look for the answer to them more than you could.
I've seen a lot of people for whom school/work/family/... whatever prevents them from immersing themselves in "coding"/any activity, but somehow they usually didn't reach any special heights.
Stories from the Internet about self-taught people earning 100k a day, selling their products, etc., are probably somewhere true, but on the other side there are developers who shoot whiny videos that nobody wants to buy their game that they tried so hard to make.
In general, of course, both options are workable here, but if you are not 2 karmak (in this case, you would hardly ask such questions), then you should unlearn (get a job in the 2-3 course).

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Saboteur, 2021-03-10
@saboteur_kiev

Freelancing is about being an entrepreneur, looking for a customer, negotiating with him.
It would be useful to get a job in a larger company, get comfortable with how the development of large products is going.
The institute - the tower itself can be useful in terms of technical education. But the tower is not something that brings money directly. In addition, the vast majority of students do not study, but sit their pants there, with difficulty downloading ready-made essays and laboratories from the Internet. Well, plus now you can find distance learning and complete it. Just again, higher education is not about employment and not about backend / frontend. I would advise you not to rush into work, and at least 1-2 courses to unlearn at the hospital, then switch to part-time and at the same time get into the office.
Arguments:
If you start earning now and earn something, you will want to earn more. But without experience in complex projects, this will mean working harder, not better. That is, you will simply run into your time limit, and in 5-10 years you will write about how you burned out.
You can develop when there is enough free time.
Getting your English to an upper intermediate level is a lot of time and effort.
Give it to the right.
Learn something serious on your project (popular frameworks and technologies and do serious refactoring), make scaling and fault tolerance.
All this can be done in parallel with the institute, but it is almost impossible to do if you work full time for the sake of earning.
And in 2-3 years, by the end of the second year, it will be possible to see what to do with the knowledge gained.

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