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Robotex2011-05-23 15:56:05
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Robotex, 2011-05-23 15:56:05

When should you register a company: before launching a startup or after?

I'm going to start a startup and that's why this question arose. When to register? The first three years with income will be hard, but you still have to pay taxes (and if you constantly submit an empty declaration, the tax office will be very interested in this). So what is better - to register immediately or wait a little with it?

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Ivan Trofimov, 2011-05-23
@cbone

Do not register for anything until you start earning income. We have a country that does little for small businesses, and the government only shouts that it supports it.
No one cares about you until you start earning a decent income.
We registered the company, before the new year we received 2 letters from the tax office that we had to pay 12 thousand rubles. Although no activity was carried out.

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xdemon, 2011-05-23
@xdemon

As an option - to make an offshore, but it all depends on the specifics of the startup.

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lesha_penguin, 2011-05-23
@lesha_penguin

I would say that it’s better not “before launch” and not “after launch”, but in the “launch process” exactly when this launch process will go through that phase when you really need it for something specific , after all firm.
When is it really needed ? You don't need a firm while you're thinking about an idea and drawing up plans to implement it.
Also, you don't need a firm to talk to partners and potential investors. Whether you have a company or not, these baubles do not play a role for them, they are interested in what kind of person you are and how you are going to lead the project.
But you may very well have a company if you are going to rent an office tomorrow or start hiring employees.

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bdmalex, 2011-05-23
@bdmalex

If it were in the Russian Federation, then it doesn’t matter when you open it, more precisely, not before you have the first clients who will be ready to pay you through a bank account ... And so - the office may well submit empty declarations and not pay any taxes for the first couple yo easy...

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Innsbrook, 2011-05-23
@Insbrook

Do not register a company in advance. We did everything, launched, the client went, and then you can already register. I myself got into a situation a couple of years ago: development had just begun, and already the LLC was registered, licenses were received, a bunch of dough was swelled in TM, and the startup did not start in the end. That is, everything seemed to be completed, they started, but it didn’t go the way they wanted. + all the money that was then so needed for promotion and so on, turned out to be spent a year ago on bureaucracy that no one needed even at that time.

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Jazzist, 2011-05-24
@Jazzist

After.
First make sure that the mechanism works and brings money. The company is a matter of minutes. Hire a lawyer (because you already have money?) - he will tell you.

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Vladimir Chernyshev, 2011-05-24
@VolCh

If you are alone, then registering an IP on the simplified tax system threatens you with practically nothing (if you do not get involved in contracts with post-payment, penalties, fines, etc.), except for the need to pay 16k insurance premiums per year and about 500 r / month for maintenance accounts, plus submit empty declarations (without movements on the account, the tax office will not be interested). But the official status of an entrepreneur can come in handy (at least psychologically), and all the money in the account is yours, it’s the same as in the “on demand” account. And the registration itself is inexpensive and simple (if there are no problems like registered there, I live here, etc.)
LLC is more complicated - there are more registration problems and they are more expensive, money cannot be withdrawn so easily, etc. But the option has no alternatives if you are not alone. Friendship is friendship, but tobacco is apart. The sooner you write down on official paper (Charter of the LLC) future interaction (including exit from the business and assignment of a share), the better.

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Robotex, 2011-05-24
@Robotex

Oh yes, I forgot to say, I am in Ukraine.

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Maxim Dyachenko, 2011-05-25
@Mendel

Well, not an individual entrepreneur, but a FOP (SPD in the old way), what's the difference? :)
No activity - no responsibility.
There is an activity - take TOV (LLC) or PP (PE).
It is better not to use SPD for something complex.
Large contracts, VAT - may have problems.
Unfortunately, I saw how SPD, after a stupid tax hit, withdraws assets (an apartment for parents, a share in an LLC for a partner’s car by proxy .....) and sues for several years with the tax.
But I repeat - no body, no case. If you have small contracts for current activities, then there is nothing to worry about. And SPD is only a clean single take. There is no VAT and other rubbish.
As for the lawyers, you should decide on tax planning.
I don't know what tax minimization scheme you are planning.
First of all, the question is with VAT, and the expenditure side.
From general information: You can take a VAT lawyer in order to accumulate VAT and losses incurred during the launch of the project. This will reduce taxes in the future, but will raise some questions from the IRS. But now it is difficult to get VAT - the tax office "asks" to show the turnover before receiving the certificate.
On the other hand, the second input is accounting services for the company without turnover == 300 UAH per month. Director == founder and is on unpaid leave only occasionally coming out of it to sign something.
In general, there is little information. If a spherical company is for a spherical startup, then I think it’s better not to open at all;)

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