What full-time Python courses and mentors in Moscow are relevant for 2016?

Question

Python

Hey!
I read similar questions on Python courses in Moscow, but somewhere there are no such questions anymore, somewhere the mentor has changed. I really don't want to waste my time and money.
Python will be my first programming language, I had a little experience learning JS, that's all.
Today I am tormented by the choice between the following courses:
1. Courses in the TSEKH tceh.com/edu/python
I liked that the training program is detailed, there is help after the end of the course, convenient location. But the high price confuses. I don't know anything about the mentor.
2. Courses in the Specialist www.specialist.ru/track/t-python
There are many negative reviews about the mentor, this is very embarrassing.
3. Proglive www.proglive.ru/courses/python
Full-time individual training, but few lessons according to the program. I don't know anything about the mentor.
4. HSE courses https://cs.hse.ru/dpo/python1
No detailed program, but reasonable price. I don't know anything about the mentor.
Help me choose a mentor and a course! Rather, I need reviews and opinions about the mentors of these programs, because it often happens that a person is an excellent specialist, a professional, but cannot transfer knowledge.
Thanks in advance for your opinion!

Answer 1

I can say - in any case, do not contact a specialist. Dirty office. Especially the center on Taganskaya.

Answer 2

Now I am studying at Tceh, somewhere in the middle of the course - my impressions are extremely positive!

Answer 3

The review of the workshop (tceh) is extremely negative, both from the side of technical equipment and the pro mentor exptut.ru/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4

Answer 4

Are there any who have completed a course at the Higher School of Economics or a prolifer?

Answer 5

More software testing

Answer 6

Hey!
I would very much like to know, in the end, what did you choose, and what courses did you go to study? What are your impressions, and what do you advise from your own experience?
Thank you!

Answer 7

Pay attention to the learn.python.ru courses launched by the MoscowPython community . Now on the 4th set.

Answer 8

Unkiller, good afternoon!
My name is Julia, I am responsible for the organization and technical equipment of the #tceh courses.
Thanks for your feedback. He helped us to see the problems on which we will work. Some of them are really related to moving to another room.
Now all our classrooms for training are equipped with a projector, high-speed Internet and comfortable workplaces. I am attaching a photo:
Not all the questions that you raised in your review relate to my work, but I contacted the founder of the course and your teacher Nikita Sobolev, he commented on the learning points as follows:
Agree with most of your review. Indeed, it is impossible to master the profession of a developer in 26 lessons, it is impossible in a year or 10. What I am talking about: in the first lesson, in the second and in each. My goal is to show what can be learned, that there are a lot of interesting and exciting things around. And I give directions on how to learn faster: open-source, conferences, various services like StackOverflow, etc.
It really all starts with setting up the environment. We send an initial setup manual at the very beginning. Then I set aside time several times for "adjustment" already in place. But if you immediately configure the entire environment, then no manuals are enough. After all, during the course we need: different programming languages, editors, IDEs, databases, different system packages, etc.
I agree with you about the Windows platform. This is a big problem that is not easy to solve. So many things that we need in the course of the course on Windows work with great difficulty or do not work at all. But to transfer all people forcibly to Unix is ​​a difficult and ambiguous step. I always try to clearly state the truth of life: "Developing on Windows is pain and suffering." Next, we offer our help in setting up.
I agree about English. All technical documentation, all communication, all interesting reports in English. For a developer, knowing English is even more important than knowing any particular programming language. Perhaps we need to change the content of the site to reflect my point.
Moreover, all our code and all our examples in English are far from accidental. This is what good code looks like in any good company. This is how it should be done in training from the very beginning. You can't write bad Russified code on purpose first, and then start writing good code on purpose. Habit is second nature.
I do not agree only with the fact that I love English. I love my mother tongue - Russian. And like any person, I make mistakes, especially in a foreign language for me.
About the program and the amount of materials in the homework - I also completely agree. We did not have time to touch on some difficult topics in the lesson, but I attached all the materials marked "difficult topic". There was also about metaclasses, and about multiple inheritance, and much more.
Thank you for your feedback, it was very helpful for us!

Answer 9

I read the negative review above and was surprised. I study with Nikita at tceh and I like everything, so I want to cheer up those who are interested, but cooled off after such a review.
If you think that in three months they will make a developer out of you without your sweat and blood, then, of course, it is better not to take this course - just like any other. None of them will do "Whoop." And yes, this is a very difficult course for a beginner. I've been writing "Sea Battle" for almost three weeks, and so far I only have a simple version, without saving, etc., and with not the most optimal object model :)
But in my world of courses and course comparisons, this is a great overview run on topics that gives an idea of ​​\u200b\u200bwhat generally happens and instills the right attitude. The last one is rare. Any profession is a certain mindset, a paradigm of thinking, a mentality that has been formed over the years. Nikita generously shares how to speed up this process. This is perhaps the most important, in my opinion, part.
But it is foolish to assume that any course, other than a full-fledged academic degree and subsequent work in your specialty, will make a developer out of you. Where does such ambition come from? If you have applied questions, Nikita is very responsive and gives advice. If you just came to learn more about Python in the future, you will learn everything you need to develop further.
Courses are meant to give you a context in which you can comfortably and effectively learn. Himself. Homework is always a major part of learning. If you look at ShAD's Python courses, you'll see that their main job is
voila! also happens on its own. And also there is no magic in the presentation of the material.
Once again, the advantages of any course are the educational environment and context, the help of a mentor, materials. All this is in tceh. Nikita makes good and valuable selections on topics, prepares for classes and presents the material in a structured way and helps on all issues. And the course has a wonderful environment, I met very cool people. This is generally a well-known bonus of any full-time education.
Price - yes, this is your own business, what you spend money on. I love face-to-face programs. I think this is very important, it reinforces your right context and motivation.
And yes, the course is intense, sometimes you want more breaks between classes in order to have time to digest everything. It's true. And, in my opinion, this can be a plus, depending on the goals.
In general, I felt very sorry for Nikita. And there is some kind of obvious lie that people are digging into some English-language links, not understanding anything. Here I don’t even know what to say, the materials in the lesson are always structured, Nikita chews everything, and then sits with each and helps to write a practice. He tries to duplicate home reading selections with Russian references.
It is not necessary to go to tceh. I'm not trying to advertise tceh, this course is specific and you can't guess if it's right for you or not. But I'm trying to defend the right attitude. Courses are about energy.
I have something to compare with, and this course seemed to me a very worthy review course for a person who is thinking about becoming a python developer.

Answer 10

I hasten to upset you, in python there are NO normal full-time courses, the purpose of which would be to teach you, and not to knock out money in Moscow. And on the one hand, this is very sad, on the other hand, it is a great opportunity for someone to open their own business in the absence of competition.
What the specialist offers is reading the basics and outdated material, the aforementioned SHOP , the material is not bad, but 100k for courses is a diagnosis. Both of these courses can be found and downloaded on the well-known.
I personally chose le * rn.pyth * n. ru, I thought, since they are positioned as courses from the community, then by definition they cannot be bad. But how wrong I was - this is such a bottom, in no case do I advise you, waste your money.
In order not to be unfounded, I will tell you the details:
1.) There is an announcement on the site in beautiful letters that we will refund your money if you do not like it. BUT only for two weeks) Do you know why? Let me explain, the first lesson is held in the form of an intensive course, where they tell you about the basics of the language in a colorful way. Plus you are fed with delicious pizza - in general, everything is fun and positive. It seems that everything is fine. You come to the second lesson, and there are no explanations and lectures there. You were simply given a task, on which you sat for 2 hours and went home. You have not yet understood where you are and you think that it will be better, but no, I assure you that it will only get worse. Arriving at the third lesson - no one will return the money, as they say "your train has already left." Do you feel what psychological marketing is behind this?
That is itNOT full-time courses, all training after the first lesson is based on watching videos from YouTube! Then you come to class and blunt over some puzzles. Do not expect any general analysis of the same topics from the video or additional explanation, at most in case of difficulties with the problem, they will solve it for you and give a link from Google. But are you paying 35k for this?
2.) The total number of the group is 20-30 people. They are divided into small groups of 5-6 people, but believe me, this does not add comfort.
3.) I met a review that they give you the opportunity to write your own project. But take my word for it, you can do it without them, because in fact, no one cares about your project, you will just be asked to do some simple thing for show.
To understand how all this is window dressing - my curator did not even come to the final demonstration of the project) The
review is not custom-made, I can answer any of your questions on VK.

Answer 11

Izium recently started a python course, I can’t tell you anything specifically about the python course, but the courses themselves are quite worthy

Answer 12

Studied in Python courses from EasyUM. Ruslan teacher. I was very satisfied, I went through corporate training. The courses really proved to be useful for increasing the level of knowledge. We started from the very basics - studying the interface of the development environment, and ended up creating a ready-made application for the phone. Lots of homemade! The course lasts 4 months, so a lot of information is spent on studying at home. BUT, what is a huge hallmark of Izium is the lightning-fast feedback from the teacher. Ruslan reacted to all our practical dz, checked, often helped to deal with something that was not clear. Once even I personally helped with the analysis of duck typing. In general, I was very pleased.

Answer 13

This is a subjective opinion that it is impossible to find a normal python course. It is impossible to evaluate everything that is offered today. Personally, I studied at Lanit and I want to say that I am quite pleased with the course. And if the question is still relevant, where to go, then look here https://academy.ru/catalog/python/ There will definitely not be disappointments.