training for a programmer for Russian in Ukraine

Question

IT education

in fact, there are several questions:

- Is it possible to enter a Ukrainian university with Russian citizenship?
Is it possible to live in Ukraine for a long time without obtaining citizenship?
– how to get Ukrainian citizenship as a result, if necessary?
— is it possible to have both citizenships (Russian and Ukrainian) at the same time?

because there are a lot of our Ukrainian brothers on habré, I hope to get answers to these questions :)

upd: I forgot the most important thing - how is the level of education in the specialty programmer? Let's say at uni. Shevchenko.
In Siberia, we have an old and respected (formerly) university of NSTU (NETI) - it teaches to be a programmer "on ***," that's why I left it. In Ukraine, things seem to be better with civilization, so I wonder if they teach you well?

Answer 1

As I have repeatedly written, in order to become a good specialist it is necessary.
1) Want to become one.
2) Surround yourself with good people.
If you enter the university where you enter, there will be many good specialists who will help you. Then you will become a good specialist.
If they are not there, then admission to the university can be considered a mistake. (ERROR).
Of course, you can learn, both from books and source codes (while studying at the same university). But it is a more thorny path and a longer path. But then you will gnaw at the “granite of science” like cutting butter with a knife.
Moreover, studying at a university makes good acquaintances and friends, and this is a significant factor for a career. Very significant.
IMHO. It is more correct to put the question like this: "How to create an environment in which I will effectively learn."
A good alternative to the university will be a job that will be a good guru. Which will teach you for free (or almost for free) sacramental knowledge that is not taught at the university. Such knowledge gives you an order of magnitude advantage over others, especially in the specific area in which the guru works.
How did I write?

Answer 2

Q: Is it possible to enter a Ukrainian university with Russian citizenship?
O: You can. As already mentioned above, you can even on a budget. I don’t know how it is now, but before the cost of contra training was quite low. For example, now a year of study at HTURE costs about $900.
Q: Is it possible to live in Ukraine for a long time without obtaining citizenship?
A: You can - either up to three months on a migration card, or on registration. Registration can be obtained if there is a legal reason. For a student, this is studying at a state university (this rule does not apply to commercial ones) - on the basis of this, he is given temporary registration. Usually people without registration do this: after the expiration of the migration card, they leave Ukraine and immediately return back.
Q: how to get Ukrainian citizenship as a result, if necessary?
A: It used to be like this: you have to live legally on the territory of Ukraine for 5 years, and student registration was not considered. Most likely there are some procedures for simplified citizenship acquisition.
Q: Is it possible to have both citizenships (Russian and Ukrainian) at the same time?
A: Officially you can't. To obtain Ukrainian citizenship, you must renounce Russian. Of course, you can have two passports (Russian and Ukrainian, but this will be considered a violation of Ukrainian law).
When choosing a university, I would also pay attention to the language of teaching. In principle, in six months you can learn to understand the Ukrainian language (by the way, you will have to learn it), but the student may have to answer in the same way. In addition, there are some difficulties in the perception of mathematical and physical terms.
I myself graduated from KhTURE, but I know that good programmers are obtained from graduates of KhTURE/KNURE, KhSU/KhNU, KhAI/NAU "KhAI", KhPI/NTU "KhPI".

Answer 3

learning is no problem. there are intergovernmental programs that allow you to study even on a budget ... but this is if we are talking about universities ... if you want to get knowledge that is adequate (modern) - there is no better option than the STEP Computer Academy - but it costs money, even though it is worth it ( sorry for the taftology).
In Ukraine, Russians, as well as Ukrainians in Russia, can stay for 3 months without problems ... for students, it seems, for the entire time of study ... although they don’t stop us on the streets here and they don’t require to present a passport along with a residence permit ...
the requirements for obtaining citizenship are, in general, the same - either live in the territory for 5 years, or special conditions - I know that the Russian is given according to a simplified program if you graduate from a university in Russia, I suspect that we should have a similar rule (after all, it is licked from the Russian one) …
you can have both citizenships, but only in Russia – we only support one, but if you don’t spread too much – you can keep both…

Answer 4

I studied at NTUU "Kyiv Polytechnic Institute" bachelor's degree - "Computer Science" and now I'm studying at KNU. T.G. Shevchenko majoring in Mathematics.
I am ready to vouch for the fact that the quality of education is high in both universities as much as it can be high in modern Ukrainian educational institutions. If you want to study, they will teach you and they won’t ask for money for it (maybe they won’t even take it if you offer it yourself, I myself didn’t believe in it until I realized that it was). The only question is the relevance of the information that you provide. That's why I changed my original choice, choosing a broader and more fundamental specialization.
My friend also left NSTU after her first year, now she is studying in Moscow, at a private university. According to her stories, the situation is practically no different.
You can study in Ukraine. You can even get a good education. The main thing is to choose the right university and the right specialty.

Answer 5

>>> is it possible to have both citizenships (Russian and Ukrainian) at the same time?
The Constitution of Ukraine does not allow (but it is not written only for deputies).

Answer 6

Went through it at the time.
> is it possible to enter a Ukrainian university with Russian citizenship?
It is possible, but, most likely, for a fee.
> how to get Ukrainian citizenship as a result, if necessary
. At one time, I received a lifelong local residence permit that allows you not to register anywhere, work legally and cross the border. Prior to that, it was shown a couple of times a year at the dean's office of foreign students for a stamp.
There is no dual citizenship.
Learning something is quite real, but you don’t need to “f*** off”, well, take a technical university from a number of KPI, KhPI, DPI.
The biggest nationally specific hemorrhoid is a diploma in Ukrainian.

Answer 7

Ukrainian citizenship is mandatory only if the training program requires admission to the state. secret.

Answer 8

I don't think it's worth worrying about what university you go to. You still need to graduate from some university for show, but you shouldn’t bother about where you will be taught more. You have to study on your own, the university should least of all interfere with this.
I can say for Odessa, we don’t have a university for which we need to go here. He himself graduated from the Polytechnic University, he didn’t help me much, but he didn’t interfere either.