On what tsms or designers to make a site?

Question

CMS

Hello! I saw similar questions from last year. Not very relevant due to the fact that some cms have gained popularity, and the muse constructor is not updated anymore.
Tell me, on what CMS or constructors is it really possible to make a good website in the price segment from 5 to 10 tr., so that it would not be a shame to look other web developers in the face?
I do it on wordpress. Some competitors too. Competitors have sites from 5 to 100,000 on WordPress. Tasks are different.
And in articles that I don’t read, they advise doing design and typesetting from scratch + admin panel, and the price in the end is from 20,000 (this is probably for a business card site or they position themselves in such a way that they make up from scratch, meaning "adobe mews").
1. WordPress sites according to the template + plugins - at a price of 5000 rubles.
why yes?
It is possible to implement a blog, business card website, landing page, mini IM with a unique design. Convenient. Well indexed by search engines.
(It uses an elementor). Is it correct to use this plugin? (in principle, the same adobe mews is only within the framework of the VP, you do not need to work with the admin panel, saving the customer's money - the result is the same).
2. I know one cool company that makes websites on MobiRise.
It may not be bad, but again: - there is no admin panel, and the functionality is less than the same elementor constructor on vp.
3. Adobe mews. In general, yes, but it seems that it will no longer be updated. What are its analogues at the moment?
4. General question, tell me what to make websites to order now. Knowledge is minimal in programming.
5. Sites (design + layout) will be made by other citizens who charge many times more for sites, I will mainly do landings in the region up to 10 thousand rubles. Maybe I'll change my mind later.
Please answer the questions point by point. Thank you very much!

Answer 1

to not be ashamed to face other web developers?

so as not to be ashamed, typeset with your hands.
cms is irrelevant.
constructors, etc. - just for a quick launch of something temporary, or a landing page that is needed the day before yesterday, or a do-it-yourself option for a client without money.
only at first glance and at first.
and then the Wishlist from the client, requests from SEOs, etc. will begin.

Answer 2

If you want to make expensive sites, then use Django and for lightweight Flask projects, these are frameworks. Wp nervously smokes on the sidelines, and wp also has one huge minus, some sites can be hacked with exploits, for example , here also on wp to make a loaded site crap! I had to pour traffic to a site made on WP, it hung on vds ram1gb ssd, so it stood up with a stake and became dumb after 10-40 seconds

Answer 3

And in articles that I don’t read, they advise to design and make up from scratch + admin panel, and the price in the end is from 20,000 (this is probably for a business card site or they position themselves in such a way that they make up from scratch, meaning "adobe mews").

Do not read these articles anymore, I mean the resources on which you found this nonsense.
Then crowds of customers run screaming - how to add a title for pagination pages or how to add a filter by color or how to add a search to the site or how to add stupid pagination, a thousand devils.
And the unfortunate programmer has already merged - either he plows in the office and he has no time or got a job as a janitor.
Getting hooked on your product is a profitable business, but karmically black.
Therefore, based on your skills and your profit bar, no more than a dozen WP users!
as you harness, so you will go all the way ...

Answer 4

1. WordPress sites according to the template + plugins - at a price of 5000 rubles.
why yes?

Why not?
Situational.

2. I know one cool company that makes websites on MobiRise.
It may not be bad, but again: - there is no admin panel, and the functionality is less than the same elementor constructor on vp.
Didn't encounter.
Tilda, Webflow, Squarespace.
WP, Joomla, Drupal, OpenCart.
Good.

Answer 5

4. General question, tell me what to make websites to order now. Knowledge is minimal in programming.

you already decide who you are, a programmer or a designer. You won’t get far on this garbage if you are not the owner of a business with a team where you just get money by negotiating with customers or doing nothing. If you want to be a programmer, sit down and learn languages. And making money developing sites on WordPress for 5k is a disgrace, and not worth it at all. If you basically have access to orders, learn React / Angular (here your WordPress will be a plus.) Find another person for the backend (php / java / golang / elixir). And fuck projects with terms of 1-2-3 months at a price of 200k to 800k. And you will develop, and interesting projects. And so development is 0, just create ugly clones of business card sites and online stores
Regarding the prices, I generally xs where did you get such prices. Even landing for 10k is such a thing. Probably you will understand with bitter experience in the future. It is clear that with ready-made content, it is nowhere easier to raise a landing page to the VP. But as always, then it starts, change something, you don’t like the color here, add a search, etc. Even here in Kazakhstan, where prices are, in principle, lower than in Russia, prices for sites start at 80 thousand (14k rubles). But at first, you can work in such a way that the portfolio is and fill your hand. But again, if you do not go in the direction of a unique design, you should not linger in this area for a long time.

Answer 6

If programming is tight, look towards Modx.
For most commercial sites is enough. And layout integration is not as painful as in classic CMS.

Answer 7

After all the comments, I don’t want to stick to my approach anymore!!) But I still don’t understand why to develop a web site design + layout if you can do the same in the Muse? Not everything is possible, but a lot. I used to work in a SEO marketing agency, they made websites on Muse.
To the question: why not fsh or figma + layout?
The question followed: Why do the same thing twice?
Here I am again thinking about saving customers!) I don’t understand how to convince the customer that he needs a super unique design and layout for 100,000 rubles!)

Answer 8

I recommend modx, a fairly convenient admin panel, both for the content editor and for the developer, you can make a lot of decisions on it.
The entry threshold is higher for a developer than VP, but the engine itself is much more flexible

Answer 9

If you do not need complex functionality, a unique design is a Bitrix24 constructor.
Free.
No hosting fees.
There are no administration fees.
Fast - in 5 minutes you publish the first page.
Mobile immediately.
Immediately all forms work
Immediately widget
Immediately CRM
There is a variant of a ready-made online store
Everything can be figured out without any engines and codes.
Cons:
If you choose a free plan, there is no support.
The minimum paid tariff is from 1000 rubles. - there is support.