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artzmb2015-06-23 23:14:21
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artzmb, 2015-06-23 23:14:21

Is moving to St. Petersburg justified in the current realities?

Hello. I work in a St. Petersburg office that is engaged in mobile development, as an Android developer, while being geographically located in one of the provincial cities of our vast country (remote office). Recently, an idea has arisen to move to the northern capital and a lot of questions have arisen about this.
1) Is this idea justified in the current crisis?
2) Will the current salary of 30k be enough for the first time? I thought that having at least some guaranteed money is better than nothing.
3) Will my current experience of just over 1 year be enough for a successful job search? Before that, I worked as a web developer for a couple of years, but I changed my profile later, as mobile development was much more interesting. I'm 25 now, if that matters :-)
4) And in general, I would like to listen to people who moved to St. Petersburg during all this political turmoil.

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FoxInSox, 2015-06-24
@FoxInSox

  1. What are you like a girl? Judging by your salary, you have neither a family, nor a mortgage, nor a mountain of loans. What the hell is a crisis?
    PS1 Moving from the provinces to Moscow / St. Petersburg can change your life completely. The number of opportunities in cities with a population of over a million is a million times greater. Prices in large cities are higher, but that's another matter. To start a career, you should not care what you eat: pasta at 30 rubles per 1 kg or turkey meat at 300 rubles per 1 kg.
    PS2 The longer you live in the province, the more difficult it will be to move in the future. Although this is not always the case, it seems to me in most cases.
    PS3 As a specialist, you will develop much faster in a large city.
    PS4 In megacities, there are other people, a different way of thinking. Everyone should live in a metropolis.

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Sergey, 2015-06-24
@zenden2k

What realities? And what has changed lately in St. Petersburg?
You are not going to move to the Crimea.
The only thing is that the climate in St. Petersburg is disgusting, it doesn’t suit me at all as a southern person,
in the grayness of St. Petersburg, especially in autumn and winter, it’s not surprising to fall into depression.
Well, 30k is not money, so ask for more

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kp069, 2015-06-23
@kp069

30k is enough to rent a room and not starve to death.
Start by looking for a job in St. Petersburg, then go if you feel like it. In the worst case, just go back, it's okay.

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Espleth, 2015-06-24
@Espleth

My friend rents a quite good room in St. Petersburg for 15k not far from the metro. You can live quite comfortably on the remaining 15k, although you can’t buy anything particularly expensive in such a situation.
In general, a salary of 30k for a developer in a large city is really not enough.

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uam, 2015-06-23
@uam

The pay is definitely not enough. In my opinion, there is little experience and personally I would not risk it with such experience. I would stay at this job, and after it I would develop my skills. Age doesn't really matter. 30 rubles for a good android developer is nothing. And 30 rubles for St. Petersburg is also not money. Only rent an apartment for her somewhere on the outskirts.

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mipan, 2015-06-24
@mipan

1. Evaluate the job market for St. Petersburg on some hh;
2. Pull up highlights over the summer;
3. Closer to autumn, when the growth of offers begins, start sending resumes. Ask about possible assistance with relocation.
4. Do not take less than 50k.
If English is at the level, then there should be no problems.

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vitvov, 2015-06-24
@vitvov

Your financial situation will depend on where you live. By moving to a city where there is more money, your opportunities increase, as you simply find yourself in a different environment. I've already moved twice. Village - district town - Moscow. At the same time, he moved from another country. The most important thing that you will change is psychology. Well, people have always moved to more profitable territories, those who did not move continued to live as before and did not develop. Ask yourself the question, where do you want to see yourself in 10 years, what salary will you have, what kind of wife, what kind of environment and where will you live? If the prospects of your town do not suit you, then move.
Talk about a salary increase.

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Watt0, 2015-06-24
@Watt0

one). The idea is definitely justified, salaries are definitely higher than in the provinces.
2). 30k is quite enough for food, transportation and a room (one room from 20 tr.), however, you may well find a job with an income of ~ 40 tr. at the initial stage.
3). Believe me, there is enough work for everyone here, even working as an Internet "troll" people here get 40 thousand. No one bothers you to conduct an initial screening of employers, for example, by conducting a Skype interview.
4). Moved 3 months ago, satisfied with everything when compared with my previous outback. I would even say go and do not hesitate.

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Tatiana Schegoleva, 2015-06-25
@Tanya_S

Let me give you an example of my husband. Moved from Syktyvkar. In fact, I had zero money with me, at first I lived with a friend. Found a job, rented a room. At the same time, he was engaged in what is called "low-skilled" labor and, accordingly, received much less than an Android developer could potentially receive. According to him, he never thought to go back.
And now for the questions.
1) The idea is justified if there is no opportunity or desire to develop in your hometown.
2) If we talk about prices, then: rent a more or less decent apartment not in the center, not far from the metro station 17-20 thousand rubles. (with a communal apartment), about 1.5 thousand rubles. for transport per month, about 10 thousand rubles for food, if you eat at home and simple food. You can try to find an apartment or room directly through groups in VK, so as not to pay the agent from 50% to 100% commission.
3) In my experience in the field of development, employers / customers look first of all at what you can do, and not at what experience you have.
4) Because of the political turmoil, in fact, only prices have increased (mainly for imported products) and the assortment in stores has become somewhat poorer.
In general, if you have a desire - go for it! There will be questions - contact. Perhaps I can help in some way, as a native of our Northern Capital :)

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krdmitry, 2015-07-09
@krdmitry

1) The crisis throughout the country is about the same and so far more in the heads than in the wallets.
2) 30K is enough for the first time, if you rent a room and squeeze in expenses. It is better to immediately discuss a growth plan with the employer, because. In six months, such a life will be extremely boring. In any case, you need to have a reserve and be sure that you can easily find another job in your specialty.
3) You can come with any experience, everyone is needed. There is more than enough work in the city, another thing is that they do not always want to pay.
4) Politics has little effect on moving. The main thing is to look at sites like superjob and hh in terms of demand for your specialty.
PS I have been living in St. Petersburg for 5 years. For a number of reasons, things have fared better for me than in my hometown so far. However, there are also unsuccessful examples - people came back.
The advantages of St. Petersburg in the form of romance and vanilla cakes are painted on the relevant resources. Essentially, keep the following in mind:
1. The climate is colder and more humid, but not critical - you get used to it.
2. Lack of sun and short daylight hours in winter is Achtung. If the psyche is not steel, train the liver with antidepressants in advance;)
3. Corruption is higher than in small towns. Delivers occasionally.
4. Prices for meat, fruits and bread are noticeably higher with lower quality. The quality of meat is not decided by money. Why so - still do not understand (probably a consequence of the blockade?). Gasoline is more expensive than in Moscow.
5. Ecology in the city itself is so-so.
6. When calculating salaries, consider the so-called. "housing affordability factor". In fact, a salary of 30K in a small regional center is ~= 90K in St. Petersburg, taking into account current housing prices. Keep this in mind if you plan to stay permanently.
7. As a result: if it is possible to raise money remotely, and the city where you currently live is generally satisfied, then you should weigh all the pros and cons well.

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asia72, 2016-08-14
@asia72

Well, why is it not justified? In a metropolis, as practice has shown, it is easier to survive. Yes, and in general, there would be a desire. As an example, I can cite my story of arrival in St. Petersburg. ...on the contrary, I was pleased. If you are interested, read the blog "Live in St. Petersburg" All revelations are especially for you.

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Alexey Lazutin, 2015-06-24
@exelens

Don't even know. Complex issue.
1 If you are confident in the employer. And really want to live in St. Petersburg.
2 30 is certainly not enough in my opinion. But if you don't have a family and a bunch of kids... maybe that's enough.
3 Look at the vacancies, try to selectively go through Skype interviews. If you pass, then there will be no problems in the future.
4 I can't say anything here. I am local.

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DVamp1r3, 2015-07-02
@DVamp1r3

I moved in December, now I am in St. Petersburg. From a city with a population of 250k. As for the climate: it is dull. I don't know how people here live most of the year (except for a few "summer" months) without antidepressants. For housing: for 30k just rent a room, then enough for food. Here it makes no sense to get below 50 without having your own housing. Plus, compared to less populated cities, renting a house directly is very difficult. At the price of food, oddly enough, it is cheaper than, for example, in the city from which I came. Tap water is terrible. Some kind of alkaline solution, not water.
Well, now to work. Indeed, if here you can find a use for yourself, but! Here they like to ask for skills from programmers, while not paying them adequately (as elsewhere, however). Or the requirements are simply unrealistic... But in any case, comparing prices on some clothes and in a "comfortable office in the city center, next to the metro" you understand that something is wrong here.

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