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Tidus2022-02-02 22:02:55
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Tidus, 2022-02-02 22:02:55

Is it impossible to find a java job without experience and education?

I studied Java for a little over six months.
It seems to me, not bad. I know java core very confidently. Spring and so on did not really understand how it works, but I can also use it for my own purposes.
But the problem is that 99% of the responses are simply ignored. Even for internships. I got to the interview 1 time on a test task. Other companies don't even give it. In the summary, I honestly wrote that I have no experience, but described the entire stack that I know, threw off a couple of my projects.
Of the options in theory, now there is only a try to get a job through courses from Epam.
Strong tilt from this, I thought that I would find something, because the truth has invested a lot of time and effort in self-study.
Now it’s true that there’s such a contest that it’s probably worth scoring without having a specialized education so as not to spoil your nerves?

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Yuri Shporkhun, 2022-02-02
@xJAYx

If there is no experience, write a large pet project with microservices and CQRS (write down several databases, MongoDB + MySql). And send it to everyone, only in the spirit of "Look, what I wrote over there." Basically, nobody cares about education.
EPAM is a great topic, I’ll tell you right away that for an internship, everyone in Java doesn’t really care, the main thing is to connect 2 sentences in English with your voice. If everything is fine with English, then they will take it, if not, then no.

Now the truth is such a contest
Actually, it's not that big.

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gsaw, 2022-02-02
@gsaw

Knowledge of java is a small part of what you want to see in a programmer. This is both experience and knowledge of programming theory. Very few people need a clean code writer. In real projects, you often write a couple of lines a day.
Try to make a project, a web application, with a database. Set up an automatic project build. Put the code on github and link to it. Most often, resumes are kicked off by "secretaries" who do not understand programming. If it is written that there is no experience, but they need experience. That resume is immediately in the trash. So having a project for your soul would help. Plus, the project on github can be viewed and evaluated by a techie. Unless, of course, everything is so beautiful. Spring is practically a standard, you need to know it anyway.

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Michael, 2022-02-03
@Akela_wolf

It is possible, although difficult.
Required:

  1. have knowledge and skills. And according to the modern, demanded stack. In the case of Java, these are: Spring Boot, Hibernate, SQL, Kotlin, Gradle... You can go towards mobile development (for Android), it has its own specifics. In that direction, Kotlin Multiplatform is now fashionable (then you will return to the back with it, if it is interesting). Knowing Git is a very important tool for teamwork. English at the level of reading and understanding documentation and technical articles.
  2. have a practical example of using your knowledge and skills. These can be: answers to stackoverflow (at the same time you will improve your English level), pet projects, merge requests to open source libraries/projects. Freelance projects, etc. In general, at least something that shows how you use your knowledge in practice. The more such examples, the better.
  3. break through to the technical interview level. This can be tricky as HR will look at the formal side of your resume. So look for companies that have junior developer vacancies. Such companies are usually ready to train new developers, so it will be easier to join them.
  4. If you complete an online course and get a certificate, this will also be a plus for you.

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Alexander Prokhorovich, 2022-02-03
@alexgp13

99% of resumes are not viewed - but how many were sent?
Unfortunately, now the situation with personnel departments is such that it is good for some vacancies if at least one out of a hundred resumes is answered. Many posted resumes for already closed vacancies, for their own person, there are enough such HRs that they place an ad and raise it in the search, but they don’t even look at the responses. Keep sending out...
If you have shown some projects, then you can no longer talk about a complete lack of experience. In the end, you can write in a couple of months of freelancing to get through to a technical interview ("Everyone lies on a resume (s)").

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Orkhan, 2022-02-02
Hasanly @azerphoenix

Good afternoon.

Spring and so on did not really understand how it works, but I can also use it for my own purposes.

Perhaps it is with the study of this stack that it is worth starting.
Is it impossible to find a java job without experience and education?

You can find a job. Yes, it will be difficult. Another thing is whether it is possible to find a job without knowledge of Spring... And what exactly are you planning to write then? Parsers and bots? Well, you can also find customers on freelance exchanges.
Of the options in theory, now there is only a try to get a job through courses from Epam.

As for me, a good idea. You can start with courses from Epam. And then, train there and get a job.
You can also go to QA, but then you also need to learn the relevant frameworks. For example, Mockito, JUnit, etc.

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Dmitry Roo, 2022-02-02
@xez

It has never been so easy to get settled as it is now. Young Professionals Program

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CityCat4, 2022-02-03
@CityCat4

it is worth scoring without having a specialized education

And what is? If there is none, then we again come to the question of the need for a tower, which here recently has been as soon as not considered and under what guise they just tried to shove ...
The primary selection is always done by the junior. A hyra, when he has a hundred CVs for analysis, has his own algorithm - there is no formal criterion (experience, education, etc) - a flop.

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Puma Thailand, 2022-02-03
@opium

Yes, with the legs of our Javist they tear off and just put thousands in their mouths so as not to yell

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DollyPapper, 2022-02-03
@DollyPapper

Of the options in theory, now there is only a try to get a job through courses from Epam.

An acquaintance ended up in EPAM through their internship. There is no tower, I quit in the 2nd year. As a programmer, too, not a genius. Try EPAM.

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Jacen11, 2022-02-03
@Jacen11

Is it impossible to find a java job without experience and education?
well, the rest got it somehow
I know java core very confidently. Spring and stuff didn't really understand how it works
did you even read the job description? this is only a small part of what is needed
But the problem is that 99% of the responses are simply ignored.
it's true. It's a shame, of course, but then after a year or two they themselves run and offer)
In the resume honestly wrote that there is no experience,
well, in vain. The rest then say that they have it, and that's it, they are chosen in the end
described the whole stack that I know
and he is very weak. Learn more.
Of the options in theory, now there is only a try to get a job through courses from Epam.
a good option
Now, in general, there are a lot of competitions and courses from companies for beginners, there are more chances to find a job than ever before.
ZY love when people vmazyvatsya in reality. In advertising, they tell everyone how simple and easy it is, but it turns out that in fact it is not)

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