Is it difficult for a foreigner to become a programmer in Russia?

Swaer2020-12-31 21:22:36

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Swaer, 2020-12-31 21:22:36

Is it difficult for a foreigner (Ukrainian) to become a Russian programmer, I have no experience, so in fact this is the first job, is it possible at all and how difficult

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Puma Thailand, 2020-01-01
@opium

And that the Ukrainians have become something worse? Or does the Ukrainian have no eyes? Or one hand and slowly typing?
Well, really, what difference does it make to a Ukrainian programmer, he is Russian or Buryat

Andrey Ryazantsev, 2020-01-01
@fo_otman

Ukrainians easily and naturally work for Western companies and all Russians envy them. There is nothing to catch here, look to the West. There are a lot of companies in your country doing this.

Shohruh Shaimardonov, 2020-12-31
@joeberetta

It will be more difficult to find a job if there is no work permit than if there is no experience.

Vladimir Kuts, 2020-12-31
@fox_12

No, it's not difficult.

CityCat4, 2020-01-01
@CityCat4

There are actually two questions here - is it difficult to find a job and is it difficult to get a job.
Finding a job - it doesn't matter if you are Ukrainian or not - here I completely agree with Puma Thailand
Get a job (if in an office) - here it is of great importance how much they comply with the Labor Code in this office.
In large and semi-official offices, where shopping malls are observed to varying degrees of stubbornness, it can be difficult without a complete set of documents, but there are more guarantees that they will not throw money with the dough.
In offices like "three tables two chairs" they usually place documents on them. But there they can easily throw money and money - and since there are no documents, what the hell can you prove.

Oleg, 2020-01-02
@402d

Hmm. that's how I understand wages are now growing from East to West.
Moscow pays less than Kyiv. From Kyiv they move to the Czechs. The Czechs are moving further west.
Those who want even more move across the ocean.
In the USA, it is expensive to pay your own, they are outsourced to Europe.
And here you are against the current.
Let's look at the situation from the point of view of the employer. You have come to study. As soon as you gain experience,
you will return home. From the Russian hinterland, a person will take longer to decide to move at least to Kyiv.
And to the Czechs without knowing the language even longer.

Vitaly, 2020-01-02
@vt4a2h

Certainly more difficult than in Ukraine. Still, some additional documents need to be drawn up. If you are interested in the employer, he will quickly do everything.
It is also worth noting the different specifics of the market. As far as I understand, in Ukraine, most of the companies are outsourcing, which draws up programmers under a contract as IPshnikov (I didn’t come across it myself, they just told me). In Russia, there are quite a few grocery companies and they formalize mainly officially according to the shopping mall and with a white salary, even outsourcers (here is already personal experience + the experience of a bunch of friends in St. Petersburg / Moscow time). The situation with contracts and individual entrepreneurs is most likely for remote workers, and even then not always. In terms of finance, IP looks better, but alas.
Looking for a job in Europe may be better than in Ukraine or Russia. It all depends on what you want. Well, knowledge, skills and abilities. Few people will spend about 10k euros to transport an ordinary novice programmer. Most often there are enough of them in universities nearby and they have European citizenship and / or education. But there are still chances.