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Road2Moscow2019-05-22 18:11:38
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Road2Moscow, 2019-05-22 18:11:38

I left for Moscow, but I don’t pull on complexity, is it worth returning home?

For two years he dreamed of moving to Moscow from Kursk. A year ago I learned about MS SQL Server and started to study the syntax on the site sql-ex.ru. In about a year, I got a good idea (as I thought) of SQL, started interviewing in Moscow. I went through 5 Skype meetings, one of them offered 60k. They promised to work with SQL in conjunction with the K2 platform (electronic document management).
Today is two weeks since I moved in. I don’t feel like working with K2 at all, I’m ashamed to ask my colleagues every little thing. Documentation for K2 is only in English, which I don't know well. I can’t work on my own at all, they gave me 5 tasks, but I don’t understand them at all. I'm already thinking about going back to Kursk, but I understand that it will be hell. I sold my car, lost a good job in Kursk, moved out of cheap housing. In short, he cut off all the ends. What should I do now? At work, I don’t pull, I’m unlikely to find another job in SQL, because I know it pretty badly.

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qlkvg, 2019-05-22
@47pushkin

I was in a similar situation about 3 years ago, only without cutting off the ends and relocation. I didn’t pull at all, I asked the little things from my colleagues and was ashamed, I didn’t understand anything. I wanted to quit everything and return to my previous place of work, where I could sleep until dinner. As a result, after 3 months of hell, feeling your own insignificance and studying books at any convenient moment, something began to work out. As a result, he has grown to a person whose junas ask little things.
Now I understand that the first few months you just had to survive. This is normal for a green newcomer to the industry. If you haven't landed a full-stack senior position, a decent employer won't demand instant results from you. If you are worried, talk honestly with your immediate supervisor that you don’t take out, you need time to unwind

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Andrew, 2019-05-22
@RaGe22

That's when you get fired from 3-4 places, then go home

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ClusterBias, 2019-05-23
@ClusterBias

You live in the age of capitalism. The fact that you do not pull should not bother you too much. I still understand, if you were the white sheep in a group of first-class engineers, then yes. Guys with brains of 10kg and you barely understand how they even took you here. Remember that you should be concerned about the well-being and life of only you and your loved ones. If they took you, and you don’t pull not your fault, but the employer’s, if he wanted an independent unit, but took an intern, if he wanted an intern, then there is no question at all. Feel free to sit and study for a salary, you should not leave yourself. It was, so to speak, a warming up of the attitude towards this life. But in fact. Learn more, everyone goes through this, coming and being stupid like woodpeckers in the monitor, not understanding the basic things. I had the same thing, you have the same thing, your children will have the same thing, their children will have the same thing. This is a normal process. Instead of a task in your head, you now have moral torture, which also bothers you a lot. Just keep working. If you are fired, then the boss apparently misunderstood you as an independent unit. His fault, his fault, not yours.
By the way, I once quit my job. Shame from ignorance and constant questions about elementary things was, of course, not the main reason why I left, I left because of my attitude to work, not like work, but how ... I don’t even know how to something more, how to the meaning of life, and realizing that this particular specialty is not my meaning of life, I left. As time passes, I can say that I do not regret in principle that I left, but if I had found myself in that situation again at that time, I would not have done it. Good luck to you in your hard work!

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Ronald McDonald, 2019-05-22
@Zoominger

Don't despair, it's normal for a beginner to not understand something.
Ask colleagues, use an online translator, study, dive into SQL as much as you can, but don't exhaust yourself, otherwise the work will be disgusting.
Read more books, practice online courses.
You have not indicated your knowledge and it is difficult to give more accurate advice.

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sim3x, 2019-05-22
@sim3x

If you need outside support to continue, pack up and come back
If not, then don't ask such questions

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nrgian, 2019-05-23
@nrgian

ashamed to ask every little thing from colleagues.

As a leader, I will fire someone who, without asking, does all kinds of garbage .
Moreover, you will ask a lot for months and months in a row.
And you will become a more or less established specialist in 2 years.
2 weeks - this is necessary for an experienced specialist to more or less begin to understand the affairs of the new organization where he began to work. This does not apply to you.
The fact is that IT is a field of activity with a rather high entry threshold .
It is quite normal to get up to speed for quite some time.
And if from scratch, then earlier than in 3 months you will not become useful to the company at all (as long as you are harmful to them). This is fine. Everyone understands this. And now you are studying, and you are being paid money. Use it. Learn.

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xozzslip, 2019-05-23
@xozzslip

ashamed to ask every little thing from colleagues

you have to ask the right question. accumulate questions throughout the day and ask in one go. Two or three Q&A sessions a day will cause less inconvenience than a question every half hour.

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afasov, 2019-05-22
@afasov

Bro, I live in Kursk and I'll tell you a good opinion.
In short, do not leave, stay until the last.
Because, firstly, the products there are, I would say, even 5% cheaper than ours, travel is 2 rubles more expensive. Those. here you have nothing to lose.
Secondly, from the fact that a lot of good thoughts have already been written here, from which you can make the following squeeze:
1) Until you are kicked out, stay until the end
2) Try to talk to the leader, explain that you are very purposeful (and this is true there is), and that you just don’t have time to do it a little now, including because your English is a little tight. In general, you need to talk a little, because communication is also necessary, and secondly, maybe he is a good person and will completely understand you!
3) As for English, there is a good option on YouTube right now: you watch videos on your topic where people speak English. Turn on the button below "show subtitles" - you start to go subtitles in English. Therefore, you press the gear "settings" - "subtitles - translate - Russian language". Subtitles will become Russian. True, not all videos have subtitles, but the vast majority do! What will it give you? You will perceive English words by ear and look at the translation, and this helps to understand the language faster. Not to mention that video courses also often help you understand the material faster!

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hetdalet, 2019-05-22
@hetdalet

I wrote my first SQL query already at work, before that I never touched databases at all. From the documentation, I only had source codes with rare comments, and colleagues. The first task took me a week or two, and before I could commit it to the repository, my manager spent half an hour explaining to me how to work with SVN. During the entire trial period, I was very worried that I couldn’t do anything and that I was about to be kicked out, but nevertheless I passed it and grew to the middle. For a newcomer to the industry, such confusion is quite normal. Try, learn, ask colleagues (in normal teams this is not condemned) and you will succeed. Yes, and do not decide for the employer whether to fire you or not))

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@atoro, 2019-05-23
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It seems that they didn’t take you to Moscow for 60k, as I understand it, as an intern / junior, but in San Francisco they organized a relocation to the position of a senior and options for several million, confusing them with the namesake. Didn’t consider the possibility, for example, that you were given these 5 tasks from the very beginning, assuming that by definition you would not be able to cope with them on your own and would have to learn from colleagues to be interested in trifles?

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hostadmin, 2019-05-22
@hostadmin

It seems to me that you overestimated yourself, and the employer just really appreciated and it suited him. Don't worry, everyone knows that you "know nothing", but are capable :)

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CityCat4, 2019-05-23
@CityCat4

Learn the language.
Most of the documentation (and in many cases the only edition) is in English only. You need to know the language.
Asking is not a good idea. Zapadno - to do garbage without asking, especially if the project is collective - VCS will quickly figure out who made the commit :)
Two weeks is the period for which an experienced developer will begin to understand something in the structure of the office and its developments. And that's a little. If you were taken - well, then the boss decided that you would come up. If you feel that the deadline is on the horizon - go to the manager, say they say so and so ... Of course, we have capitalism and no one owes you anything, but suddenly they will meet you halfway - they don’t give you a face for demand (not always true :) )

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Mikhail, 2019-05-23
@makarychev13

I don't feel like working with %name% at all, I'm ashamed to ask my colleagues every little thing. Documentation for %name% is only in English, which I don't know well. I can’t work on my own at all, they gave me 5 tasks, but I don’t understand them at all

Everyone was there! I wouldn't recommend going back

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abonu, 2019-05-23
@abonu

First. Be patient. A new sphere - at least 3 months - you will understand a little what is required of you. 6 months - you will be able to solve more or less tasks. This is all provided that you work hard. And I think there is something to be patient for.
Second. When you feel uncomfortable asking someone, remember two things: the sphere is new, you should rejoice at such opportunities; b) there is you and your task, you need to solve it, ask your colleagues for help - this is just a means of solving the problem. Think in this case that you are doing this not in your own interests, but in the interests of the company .

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Andrey, 2019-05-23
@VladimirAndreev

IMHO, if you were offered 60 on mssql, you are considered a junior, who can be grown for yourself.
So, you can and should ask questions :-)

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Alexander Taratin, 2019-05-22
@Taraflex

Sit quietly until the last until you are fired - at least you will get a salary if you work in white.
https://quest-app.appspot.com/

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index0h, 2019-05-22
@index0h

I left for Moscow, but I don’t pull on complexity, is it worth returning home?

It is somehow strange to read this, it seems like moving in principle is not the most pleasant and simple process. And now suddenly for 2 weeks and "I do not pull". Some crap. It is clear that at first it is difficult, then it will be easier.
And now: called himself an enema - climb into ...

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Programmir, 2019-05-22
@Programmir

Do they even pay? Otherwise, you will work for a month and will not be paid, they will say that you did not cope well, constantly asking.

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vism, 2019-05-22
@vism

Leave ONLY if it suits you.
It's embarrassing, embarrassing. But there is nowhere to go, learn constantly and through shame .. There will be a good hardening. Everyone goes through this

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Evgeny Nikolaev, 2019-05-23
@nikolaevevge

Try to be honest with your employer. Describe the situation, including knowledge of English.
Nevertheless, if you are interested in this and you have the opportunity to move financially, ask your employer to reduce your salary, while explaining your desire to work in this area to learn and develop.
Qualified employees in any field are rare enough, so many employers are ready to grow their staff.
Ask colleagues for books that you definitely need to read or familiarize yourself with.

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Mikhail Khorev, 2019-05-23
@KhoreffMikhail

Well, two weeks have passed... look into it... It's normal.
The first month (and some always) manifests impostor syndrome.

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