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boss_lexa2017-08-31 16:41:54
Payment systems
boss_lexa, 2017-08-31 16:41:54

How to organize international acceptance of payments with a minimum of taxes?

site - international marketplace

Task:
accept payments from different countries, in different currencies, preferably including specific payment methods and pay a minimum of taxes.

IP on the simplified tax system 6%
Options for accepting payments:

Currency acquiring for accepting cards
So far, only Alfabank seems to provide such a service
Minus: there is no American Express and other methods. Withdrawal in rubles at the rate of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation minus 0.5%. List of supported currencies from the website of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.

Paypal
about 24 currencies + acceptance of specific cards like American express, Discover and others Minus
: withdrawal only in rubles with a loss on conversion of about 5%

Foreign currency bank transfer
Cons: suitable only for large amounts and you need to go through currency control

Open a company in Europe, Estonia
There seems to be no tax if you do not distribute profits and sell outside the country

Advantages of Europe:

  • more trust among foreign customers
  • can pay simply by bank through SEPA
  • no currency control
  • more paypal options than in Russia
  • access to international payment systems in different currencies and a variety of payment methods


How to further receive money from a company with a minimum of taxes?

Most large IT companies do business from the Netherlands and Ireland and use schemes like the "Dutch Sandwich". They apply a scheme with the payment of royalties under a license agreement to the parent company, which is already in an offshore zone and most of the profits settle there without paying taxes. Then I read that according to the "sandwich" scheme, the nuts are being tightened and the current companies were given a delay, it seems, until 2020, and the new companies will no longer be allowed to do so. But even if you do this, the money will remain with the offshore. And they still need to be somehow transferred to themselves with a minimum of taxes.

Withdrawal from a foreign company :
an individual entrepreneur in the Russian Federation on the simplified tax system can receive royalties from a foreign company and pay 6%

An individual entrepreneur in the Russian Federation on PSN can develop software for a European company and pay a fixed amount of PSN tax, for significant amounts it will be necessary to justify the market value for the tax. Fictitious transactions will not pass

US Delaware and Stripe atlas
If selling outside the country, do I need to pay tax? What are the advantages in comparison with Europe?

How do you organize international payment acceptance and tax optimization?
What holding schemes and jurisdictions of which countries do you use for international expansion and tax optimization?

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Dimonchik, 2017-08-31
@dimonchik2013

acquiring in the Russian Federation has one drawback: they don’t like cards beyond the Russian Federation / CIS
for Alpha, I won’t say, maybe they love it, but I think they don’t like the
second one - I don’t know what kind of transfers are planned, but the direct merchant is far from zero, xs how much the correct figure is $100k/mo for the minimum (for Cyprus before the crisis it was 10k), but I think about that
PayPal from scratch, if the span with the merchant, is acceptable. Better not in Russia.
Estonian companies with 25% tax and possible VAT are for suckers. If you landed on e-residency, congratulations.
NL, CY are better, but VAT everywhere in Europe crushes with a heavy paw.
"The whole world" does not exist. From the word "absolutely" or "in general"
There is the USA with credit cards in the navel, from birth. And that's it. A bit of AU and CA.
The rest pay with credit cards much worse, Europe has a lot of population, because there are a lot of transactions, but conversion is far from the USA.
Therefore, "all types of payments" can be scored. There are only three of them: credit cards, Paypal and crypto. Crypto for an illegal immigrant (casinos there, little animals, ..)
Ireland and the Netherlands, yes. Lead. 50k a year if you are ready to lay out, you can recommend something.
Sripe is good, but the problem with the US is that they are tied to US Citizen, which means the presence of SSN.
Yes, you can register a company, not necessarily Delaware (there is a hidden registry, unlike many, but this is the last advantage). And the USA is not offshore, you can’t hire a nominal with SSN for 500 a year.
In general, the scheme is built on turnover, if selling outsourcing services for a small office is one thing, 8-15% losses + taxes, if the turnover is large - this is another (3-5% for financial services + taxes), it is obvious that there can be no universal solution

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thingInSelf, 2017-09-05
@thingInSelf

If you take China, there are very specific payment systems. Visa cards, as in Europe, are not welcome.
If we take Europe and the USA, on the contrary, it will be through VISA.
Etc.
It will not work for the whole world - you will have to adapt to every major country.
You can take an integrated solution, such as XSola, but they naturally want money for their service. Which is, well, much, much more than your coveted 6%

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mgremlin, 2017-09-07
@mgremlin

First, for international expansion, international lawyers will have to be hired. Here you can ask questions only in order to form your opinion and formulate questions to professionals, nothing more.
If we speak “for in general”, then I personally stand for the agency scheme: “there” is an agent company that collects money for a small percentage, sending the main amount under the contract to the parent company (for example, to the Russian Federation). Of course, IP in Russia is a convenient thing, but the amount of turnover is already very limited, for an international marketplace :-)
In the US, taxes will have to be paid in any case, regardless of the direction of income, only the size and quantity will be different. In Delaware, by the way, in addition to federal taxes, there will also be local, state taxes. Another thing is that you can pay from the agency fee - this is not much. But if a client comes across from the USA, and even a local one, then a sales tax arises (at least in most states), and here the agency agreement does not rule, you will have to pay from the full amount. Fraud schemes like "we send a client from the USA to Europe, and vice versa" are caught, I read such messages out of the corner of my eye a couple of times.
In general, I will support the previous speakers: each market will have to build its own scheme separately, and it will depend very much on particulars, for example, on the share of the marketplace itself in the transaction amount. Without lawyers and specialists in International Taxation, this problem cannot be split.
If I myself wanted to accept the widest possible range of payments from all over the world at one cheaper point, I would register an office in Wyoming, USA, and accept money on paypal.

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