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rewala2017-08-05 12:45:34
Career in IT
rewala, 2017-08-05 12:45:34

How to find a job in IT?

Good afternoon!
Friends, I am 32 years old and I decided to radically change my professional field. I worked as a sales manager, but I was always drawn to the IT world. At the moment, there is an understanding of how the web works and my goal is to start gaining practical experience in this area as early as possible. Ultimately, I want to be a web programmer. In this post, I am addressing experienced professionals and would like to hear your opinion on these issues:
1. Am I too old to apply for a junior and how will employers look at me? (Does age matter to them?)
2. How would you go about your path of education and employment now, what rake would you advise not to step on? (Question to experienced specialists).
3. Are there sites where I can be hired as an assistant to complete tasks that experienced programmers have no time to do?
4. Are there firms that take without experience and grow specialists for themselves?
At the moment there is an understanding of:
- Work protocols http, tcp / ip
- HTML, CSS
- Fundamentals of PHP
I know blind typing, worked with wordpress and joomla, a full line of adobe.

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Ivan Eremin, 2017-08-05
@divanus

It's never too late. I've been in IT all my life (the main job has always been sysadmin). Terribly tired. At the same time, he led his projects, because. Administrator salaries are always low. I had to sell and build something, etc. etc.
Now I have switched to programming. With project management experience behind him, extensive knowledge in IT and business programming becomes unique.
Of course, it will be difficult to compete with schoolchildren and students, because. they code shit very fast, but they can't form the whole picture, they make shkolota mistakes, and you can go out on all this with a lower entry threshold. And don't be afraid. They are actually dumber than you in life experience. Well, yes, it's nice when a bearded student sips a smoothie "something" in a notebook or ide on rails, and even his RP doesn't know what :)
But the fun ends when nothing works, tk. no one just read or participated in its development :)))))
Look here:
for example, working offline as an installer of something (antennas or construction (windows, doors, plumbing, screens, etc.) or copper optics cables, etc.) you get from 1500 to 4000 rubles a day. in rare cases up to 10,000 rubles. those. your monthly income offline working with your hands from 20 tr. in the off-season up to 60 tr. in season. region is not important.
The same applies to all types of sales managers: the
minimum salary is again 10-20 tr. + crummy percentages from sales and overpriced kpi so that these same percentages are minimal for you. the same 20-60 tr.
Now purely IT:
you should not go to the administration - a dead end branch of development, you will grow up to the head of IT in a middle-level office and you will get a midlife crisis in advance. There is nowhere to grow, and you will NEVER get into large projects, there are enough of your friends and relatives to "manage", which means you are an ordinary administrator 50-60 tr. ceiling. If you are a super Linuxoid, then 80. And then this is St. Petersburg and the capital.
So it is logical to assume that That's right - programming.
And here you have unique opportunities.
1. Everyone around is shit. ALL. Recklessly.
2. Few people do the job responsibly.
3. Shitty TK The decision makers want one button, and those who write technical specifications themselves basically don’t understand shit.
4. A sea of ​​automation tasks that no one can really solve. ON every corner. Any.
5. Don't use a hammer, hammer, or cold call phone.
6. Freelancing is available.
7. Hundreds of activities. All areas of life.
A programmer is the most in-demand profession. Especially in our Arkanar, where nothing is really automated.
And so:
frontend and backend
OOP - memorize what it is :)
Languages ​​php, js, java, python, c# and you can C++ a little :)
layout
- understand how to put a bootstrap on everything and the logic of it all ... you can always sort out the mess
Frameworks - bitrix , yii etc. install about a dozen and make microprojects on them, write components, modules,
take on simple freelancing to fill in content (and there they usually ask girls to solve simple problems in which forms, etc., pick up according to html css) and develop
on freelance 30 tr per month you can raise more or less half a year in parallel suffering from bullshit in govnoofosie manager.
Grow and learn. Write something every day.
Get git and upload everything there. what are you doing.
Everything.
after 3-4 months of daily work for 2-3 hours in this direction, try to pass interviews :) they will not take it - but it will be fun. Smart men progers will prompt you, just talk, you will understand what's what. And don't lie. HR can spin garbage without showing off, but with those who will talk on the topic - just talk, I'm learning, I need more practice. Maybe someone will offer freelance on the little things.
Physical condition: get enough
sleep, a
lot of water
sports - everything is simple, at least every day sitting at the computer in parallel pull dumbbells ... you write the code with your left hand or click with the mouse, your right hand ... pulls the dumbbell 100-200-300 times. Then vice versa. And so every day.
Watch videos on YouTube for all languages, etc.
draw up flowcharts of your programs that you come up with - study the algorithms ... If you
don’t find a job, then at least you can automate something for the current one and the boss will raise it :) and freelancing always feeds. I have been unemployed for 3.5 years (and closed all my businesses) - I survive supporting my family (3 children) only through freelancing. Believe me, you just have to fight. With myself.
To be a programmer - you need only perseverance;) This is the easiest profession.
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Das_original, 2017-08-05
@Das_original

I can take you as an assistant, I can just give parting words, I can also give you a direction. Even with your very basic skills, you can create decent landing pages. And there is room for development, for example, I have 4 developers and 23 interns. Green n-year students from the university. Someone is already allowed to work with live projects, someone is working on internal training products, but everyone is developing. I only take on internships who really want to. The road will be mastered by the walking one.

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Dmitry Dart, 2017-08-05
@gobananas

Am I too old

Not
I also started late, alas, I have to plow 12 hours a day of year 3 in order to catch up with the past 10 years from other people))
It’s difficult, while they spend time explaining to you, they themselves would have written a long time ago. Do you need your own project?
There is, but there the salary as an intern is 10-15 thousand rubles, and if you want to still not be an intern, then be prepared to answer Junior PHP, what would you ask at an interview?

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Alexey Strukov, 2017-08-05
@pm_wanderer

I wrote down a short test so that you can roughly estimate how effective your programming training will be and how long it will take:
# are you less than 25 years old? (1 point)
# Can you read technical literature in English? (2 points)
# do you know what inheritance, polymorphism and encapsulation are? (4 points)
# Are there any programmers among your friends who can often be asked to chew on incomprehensible things or hire you as an intern to work with them? (8 points)
If you score 0-1 points: It may take up to five years to train to become a junior, but you will most likely run out of patience and give up after a while. It might not even be worth starting.
If you scored 2-4 points: it can take up to 3 years of training to grow to junior level. There is a good chance that you will give up half way, but there is also a small chance of success.
If you score 5-10 points: it may take about 2 years to get to junior level. There are chances of successful entry into IT, but it will take a lot of hard work.
If you scored 11-14 points: it may take about a year to get to junior level. The chances of success are quite good. Dare)
If you scored 15 points: training can take about half a year to grow to the level of junior. The chances of success are very high. Perfect build chara)

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Frel, 2017-08-05
@Frel

Try to go to the testers, it's an easy way to it!

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ThunderCat, 2017-08-05
@ThunderCat

You are not the first, and you are not the last, there are real examples of acquaintances who "could". Well, here is a selection of topics:
A programmer's career after 30+. Myth or reality?
I am 30 years old, what can I become in IT in a month (not trolling, please take it seriously)?
How easy is it to get a job as a programmer at 40+, 50+, etc.?
Who started programming at the age of 20 and older?
Whom to go to work in 30 years if they don’t take anywhere?
Is it realistic to become a software tester at the age of 39, given that the main profession is far from IT?

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devalone, 2017-08-06
@devalone

Am I too old to qualify for junior

No, it's never too late to start
Here I don’t know, maybe there will be those who will look askance.
You can try opensource
Google intern jobs

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Denis Yudin, 2017-08-05
@denisday

I would advise you to first clearly define in which direction to start developing first - coding (html, css, etc) or web programming, and if web programming, then which one, front or back?
For your questions:
1) No, everything is normal - age is not the main thing here
2) First of all - study, study and study again - on your own or in courses (online or offline - all sorts of geekbrain, etc.)
3) darkness sites - free-lance.ru, youdo.com, etc.
4) there is
ps write to me in a personal, maybe I can help

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Derevyanko Alexander, 2017-08-05
@dio4

My answer in the form of a link (if you decide to become a programmer)
Learn to program in ten years,
because sooner than in 10 years it will be shit code exactly as much as Ivan Eremin described it ;-)
Well, really (real is the key word here!) evaluate yourself
link
So - just 10 years (maybe more ..) and will come out with hard work and the presence of abilities (or talent - choose what is available).

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