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Igor Golovin2021-01-14 23:14:02
Career in IT
Igor Golovin, 2021-01-14 23:14:02

How to enter the sphere and move (I don’t know what to do and got very desperate)?

Sorry if this post is long and full of whining.
In general, I am 23 years old, a graduate of an economic university (world economy), I work as a translator. I don’t like anything, for many years I dream of moving to IT, but after graduating from the university, first family circumstances, then everything accumulated and there was no time for that. Now I have clearly decided for myself what I need, I want and I am ready to work hard and hard, study and work.
The main dream is Scandinavia. Yes, I've been obsessed with her ever since I hitchhiked in Norway during my studies and fell in love. I even wrote my thesis on it. But it is, baloney.
The dream in my head is to start a career in IT (I'm interested in the web, networks at this stage) and go there.
I don't know what to do, where to start, which path to choose. Is it worth it here, while working at your job, to learn non-stop everything in order to get a job here in an IT company and only move with experience (many years, of course, it will take a lot), or save up as much money as possible and go to study computer science directly to Norway and become a student again at the age of 25-26, or without experience, submit a resume after some time. Of course, I want to learn the local language. Or is there some other way-possibility.
I don't know. There are no familiar cases around anyone from this area, either, so I hope that someone will be able to respond and advise something.
Thank you in advance.

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Ivan Shumov, 2021-01-14
@inoise

Until I started doing anything and achieved nothing - all these are snotty fantasies without the right to exist. If now, without entering IT, other options are considered too heavy, then you should at least start entering IT. When this succeeds, and it will take a year or more for the majority, then you can start thinking about the prospects.
Now the question is about nothing and under removal

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Vasily Bannikov, 2021-01-14
@vabka

learn non-stop everything to get a job here in an IT company

If you can
only with experience to get over (many years, of course, it will take a lot)

Possible variant. But after training, you will have to officially work for 3+ years.
But the salary will be higher than that of yesterday's student.
save up as much money as possible and go to study computer science straight to Norway and become a student again at the age of 25-26

If it is more profitable for you, then yes + you will be better able to adapt to the local language and culture, you will be able to apply for permanent residence faster.
without experience, submit a resume after a while.

Without a diploma and experience, most likely, the migration service will not let you in, but you need to clarify this point for each country separately.
+ Hardly any employer decides to accept you without experience and a diploma.
and familiar cases too,

There are a lot of interviews on the Internet with people who did this.

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Dmitry Roo, 2021-01-14
@xez

In Norway, as well as in any country, including Russia, no one needs "crazy" whiners who "do not like anything."
But in all countries, including Russia, specialists in their field are needed.
So study, study, and study again. And that's when, and if you have no end to local employers, it will be possible to look abroad.

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Saboteur, 2021-01-15
@saboteur_kiev

Sorry if this post is long and full of whining.

no. There are a few posts like this every week. Find a ready-made answer, or ten, read and do not consider your case unique.
I don’t like anything, I have been dreaming of moving to IT for many years

If you didn't do anything in IT, why do you think you know what you dream about?
Now I have clearly decided for myself what I need, I want and I am ready to work hard and hard, study and work.

So work. Work in IT ( information technology) is primarily related to information. There is a lot of information about what to learn and how to learn. Do the first job in the form of a search for ready-made answers and "road maps" of specialists. It makes no sense to decide on a specialization right at the start if you have zero behind you. Start learning everything in a row, widely, you will decide after six months or a year of diligent efforts.
The dream in my head is to start a career in IT (I'm interested in the web, networks at this stage) and go there.

Where is it there? Is there a specific company? Did you look for vacancies there?
Is it worth it here, while working at your job, to learn non-stop everything in order to get a job here in an IT company and only move with experience (many years, of course, it will take a lot), or save up as much money as possible and go to study computer science directly to Norway and become a student again at the age of 25-26, or without experience, submit a resume after some time.

I have already read and found out how much money you need to study in Norway, what are the conditions for admission, do you already have a plan that you can really fulfill all these conditions? Or just while you think that I will save up the amount for living, I will go there and do something somehow?
Politics in the world is changing, they may simply not be given a visa, you may simply not pass the entrance exams, it may simply not be enough to save up.
There is no need to ask strangers where you spend your time and money. Decide yourself.

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Anton R., 2021-01-14
@anton_reut

Norway is too expensive country to "roll into IT", start with cheaper Europe.
It is not clear what specialization you want to master and what you already know how to do.

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hint000, 2021-01-15
@hint000

The main dream is Scandinavia.
This dude moved to Finland, lives there for a long time and perfectly describes the pros and cons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6YtVyt30m4
(in fact, there are more pros in his videos about housing - "My apartment in Finland Where poor Finns live.", "Finnish house. How the middle class lives in Finland.", and in the video to which I provided a link - more about the cons).

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Puma Thailand, 2021-01-15
@opium

Well just move, fuck it for that Aichi

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Sergey Gornostaev, 2021-01-15
@sergey-gornostaev

Moving to another country is a long and complicated undertaking, including information preparation, which is where you should have started. Find out what visas exist in the countries of interest, what are the conditions for obtaining them, what are the conditions for obtaining a residence permit and citizenship. Find out what documents you need to collect, what financial resources will be needed. Assess the cost of living and earning opportunities. It is worth reading the stories of those who have moved, maybe even fitting into migrant communities and talking to someone personally.
If you started this process, you would already understand that the idea of ​​studying in the Scandinavian countries is a very expensive pleasure. A quick google shows that you will need to renew your student visa every year, providing documents to the supervisory authorities that you have paid for a place of residence for a year in advance and have enough funds in your account to support yourself for a year. This is approximately 15,000 euros. Every year.
Work visa conditions look much more realistic. Denmark and Sweden are part of the EU, so you need a blue card. Since your education is non-core, to get a blue card you need at least five years of experience in IT. But as real experience shows, foreigners are interested in seniors of a level that cannot be achieved in five years.
So you need to decide on the area of ​​IT you are interested in, choose specialized textbooks, read them, practice on pet projects, break through to your first job through huge competition, get out of juniors in a couple of years, try hard to work and study for another five years. One day there will come a moment when job offers will start coming to you on LinkedIn, and if you really tried, then with relocation at the expense of the employer.

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Northern Lights, 2021-01-15
@php666

Read the info on the link in my profile first on the tag "vaytishnik", vkatator.

interested in web
besides you, he is interested in every second person in IT, go ahead, join the ranks of another web macaque and form riveter! Bugagaa
And yes ... the question arises - why the hell do they need you to go there? Not a profile education, not some physics and mathematics, just another mediocre PHP form writer? I'm sure there are enough of them

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Vitaly, 2021-01-15
@vt4a2h

I would not recommend Norway to start a career if you do not have a diploma from one of the specialized universities in Scandinavia or Europe. In addition, Norway has a relatively small labor market, due to the fact that the population is small and there are practically no large IT companies compared to its neighbors. Better consider Sweden.
Regarding higher education, this is a good option. In Norway, it is still free for everyone, although it has its own subtleties. For example, if you already have a college degree and want to re-credit points for admission, then the requirements for you will be higher than for people without a degree. The language must be passed again if you are planning for a bachelor's degree, at a level not lower than B2 (for most universities). On the positive side, there are small scholarships, grants and payments for successfully passed sessions (but again, according to not the simplest schemes); relatively cheap hostels and travel concessions.
But in any case, the country is expensive. Just to give you an example: an hour pass for all modes of transport in the first zone costs 37 kroons (about 3.5 euros), for a month 770 kroons and for a year 7700 kroons. In general, numbeo.com is here to help.
PS
You can also move with a Russian education, but you need to show something at the interview (much more by the way than in the case of Norwegian / European). You can move just with work experience. It is important to be able to solve problems and/or have potential.

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