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386DX2015-03-29 20:53:12
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386DX, 2015-03-29 20:53:12

How do you feel about the ability to sort Toaster questions according to their degree of difficulty?

In connection with the next day of stupid questions, I have a question (not stupid, I hope). Add the ability for users to independently assess the complexity of a question (from 1 to 10) and, accordingly, filter (screen out in the tracker) questions based on such collective ratings.
Yes, the question itself. Who is behind such changes? And what mechanisms for sorting questions do you see?

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Sergey, 2015-03-29
@begemot_sun

I am for. Give me a plus.

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Maxim Kudryavtsev, 2015-03-29
@kumaxim

"Difficulty rating" seems to me nonsense. I started programming 11 years ago, graduated from a university with a degree in IT, participated in a couple of high-load projects...
I think that the complexity of the issue is a very relative thing. Let's say for me any questions about starting a business are elementary, I can answer them without problems at 3 o'clock in the morning if they wake me up. And they are those for me, tk. I had 6 failed projects on which I filled myself with a huge bunch of bumps (both as a developer and as a leader / founder).
However, for a person who creates a question like "Where do I get traffic from" or "How to optimize a site" is hardly my experience. And where does he get it from? I myself used to be like that, hence all my bigwigs... I don't think it's right to send the fuck newbies just because they are newbies. A couple of years will pass, these guys will fill their bumps, get their experience and become normal specialists.
Returning to the question of what to do with such a question now.
Let's take some tag, for example Laravel. Let the tag have 300 questions, 11 thousand likes and 2 thousand people who participate in its discussion. Let's assume that if one person has, say, 10% likes on all issues of a given tag, then he is an expert in this matter. I think it's logical - the community puts likes to the answers, which means the community considers it useful. From the court it turns out that the first variable is the number of likes in a tag for a particular person in the community.
We go further. Questions can be created by anyone. However, these people can be both new and established members of the community. Next, let's think, new members of the community are just asking stupid questions, therefore they do not deserve the attention of experts. From here we have the second variable - the number of likes in the tag of the questioner .
From this we can make an assumption: the more likes a person has in a tag, the more specialist he is. Therefore, nothing prevents the introduction of a rating system, of the form
And then in your personal account, on the tag administration page, add a drop-down list like "Display user questions to my feed" and options from my list above.
With this solution, we achieve:
1) If you are an expert in a certain issue (we knit on a tag), in the way I proposed, you can cut off second-class questions
2) If you are not an expert in this matter, most likely you will not be able to separate second-class questions from interesting ones questions, which means they will not cause irritation in you.
As a development of the idea, you can add some kind of test for knowledge of the question, giving +50 likes, for a faster climb up the "ladder".
I take likes as a basis, but according to the idea, you can also add here the number of views of the question, the number of answers in it, the number of likes in other answers ... In general, the algorithm can be refined endlessly ....

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Vitaly Sorokin, 2015-03-29
@VitalySorokin

In the near future we will try to introduce a rating system and assess the complexity of the question, we have already discussed the possibility of filtering the user's question feed by difficulty category more than once.
It remains to figure out how to motivate "advanced" users to help those who are just starting to learn, since most of the questions come from them, and they need "quick" and complete answers, no less than others.

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Pavel, 2015-03-30
@Paliki

no need to make a second version of habr here, where there are a lot of snobs and without karma you can’t even utter a word

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Evgeny Petrov, 2015-03-29
@Petroveg

Maybe do exactly the opposite without negativity? Mark a question as difficult or interesting . Popular automatically determined by the number of subscribers and responses as it has already been done.
And there will be filtering, and less insults. And so already in Runet, the degree of rudeness and shit-throwing goes off scale.

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FoxInSox, 2015-03-30
@FoxInSox

Everything is already invented on stackoverflow. Ratings and other restrictions are not introduced for one reason: 90% of people would simply be banned by the community right away. On stackoverflow, the remaining 10% is an impressive part of the people, on the Toaster it is 20 people.

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Valentine, 2015-03-29
@vvpoloskin

I am for it, because because of the influx of stupid questions, people who really understand specific topics have been dumped from here. Now it's easier to ask them through messages on Habré. Of course, I understand that difficult questions are a drop in the ocean compared to questions like "how to learn python", "can I become a programmer at 37", "do I need math", "how to pass the exam" and even "how to master Knuth". I also understand the audience asking such questions.
It will stay that way as long as it is encouraged. Even the major forums have moderated sections for beginners and professionals.

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Sanes, 2015-03-29
@Sanes

And what prevents to pass by a stupid question? Why get turned on by them?

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olololosh, 2015-03-30
@olololosh

what does "a lot of stupid questions" mean? Are you all that smart? If a person asks something, it means that for some reason he cannot answer this question on his own at the moment. I, too, have already asked a huge number of "stupid questions", where the answers were a lot of slag. But one user always helped me. Just one of his comments was enough for me to mark the issue as resolved. I, for example, ask a "stupid question", and in parallel googling. And this may be for a 40-year-old bald nerd programmer with 15 years of experience this question is "stupid", but for me it is important, otherwise why ask it? Just don't watch "stupid questions" if you're so "smart". You don't have to solve anything with "stupid questions", but if you just answer it and 1 stupid question will be less...

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Armenian Radio, 2015-03-30
@gbg

You need a button that allows you to quickly, decisively hide the question. Like spam mail.
You can show the author of the question: 100500 people, including all the experts in the section, have hidden your question from themselves. Maybe you should google the question?
Also, you need to come up with something with harmful and dangerous answers, like this topic

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Egor, 2015-03-29
@ByKraB

And how does this help get rid of easy questions? I doubt that all beginners will understand that their questions do not even pull 1 and boldly bang 9 or 10 in order to attract attention.

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uRandomAlex, 2015-03-30
@uRandomAlex

Registered here only to repeat what was written in one of the first answers. You don't need to change anything, you just need to make it clear to those "tru-pros" that this site was created to answer users' questions - no matter what they are, complex or not. This is the Internet, folks. Well, then let's also complain to Google that it also hides all easy/obvious questions/answers, or in general everything that religion allows (and, as we know, with the slogan "For God!" you can do anything - history an example). Well, in Yandex at the same time, yeah. What other big Runet offices are there?
You don't like the question? Does he seem too dumb to you? Pass by, and even better - answer it, there will be fewer stupid questions. If we are to offer any kind of opposition to "stupid" questions, then we need to do something like an FAQ, where the Toaster staff will select the most frequently asked questions and put them there, and if someone still asks a question from the FAQ, then answer a link to the FAQ, prohibit answering there further, stop listing the question (so that suddenly the especially nervous ones do not stumble upon another "stupid" question and start spewing a huge portion of rays of joy in their direction).
If "stupid" questions you consider questions like "What to read?" or "What to listen to?", then this is the height of insanity. Yes, these questions are often asked, but the answer to this question can vary from person to person! Although for such questions, of course, the forum is more suitable. Administration, where is "Habraforum"? Habrahabr (public blog) is, Toaster (questions and answers) is, Geektimes is, but there is no "Habraforum". Not in order!
OK. Stop reading this nonsense and look at other questions. I am sure that you will find where to send your rays of joy!

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Spetros, 2015-03-29
@Spetros

The idea is good, but I doubt that they will go for it.
A significant part of the questioning audience are schoolchildren and students who want to get an answer to their personal, special and "unique" question. It is obvious that the complexity of such a question will be exposed - the maximum. For a professional, the question is simple, but for a beginner, it is terribly difficult.
Here measures of influence on users who do not use the search are needed.

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FanatPHP, 2015-03-30
@FanatPHP

And I'm much more strained by stupid answers.
But you need to understand that Toaster is a content project. And if we throw out from here, in addition to the morons-responders, also the morons-questioners, then the behavioral factor and the depth of views will drop sharply. Therefore, no one will cut the chicken carrying the golden traffic.
And on the topic - in fact, nothing needs to be changed in the system. You just need to make it work.
Usually, freeloaders who cannot drive the title of their request into Google or confuse a toaster and a freelance complain actively.
But on the toaster, as always, the severity of the laws is softened by the indifference of the performers. If, say, mats fly away into oblivion after 5 minutes, and for all other reasons - at least complain, the moderator is too lazy to tear the jzhop from the chair + see above, sorry for the chicken.
A recent example:
Frame , which with enviable constancy confuses a toaster with a freelancer. Single complaints moderators ignore. As a result, it is necessary to bring the community to white heat, so that the moderator still deigns to remove an explicit repetitive offtopic.
"And that's how they all are."

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Dmitry Baibukhtin, 2015-03-31
@PiloTeZ

If you make a system for assessing the complexity of a question, then you need only three levels of complexity: low, medium, high, the rest is superfluous, because no one can determine the complexity with such accuracy and there is no point

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Dmitry Evgrafovich, 2015-03-30
@Tantacula

Maybe not questions by complexity, but users by level of knowledge? I wanted - I subscribed to seasoned wolves, I wanted - see everyone in a row in the feed.

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@codingal, 2015-03-30
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Not all questions can be classified as simple or complex, there are many questions a la "what books to read", "what language to learn", "where is it better to live". Answers to such questions can be minus for reasons of "I haven't read it, but I condemn it."
Salvation from "stupid" questions will be the ability to ignore users. I didn’t like what was written - I added the user to ignore and that’s all - you don’t see any more questions or answers. Of course, it is not worth notifying the "ignored" about this. You can also add a subscription to other users - unsubscribed from tags, subscribed to people and only the desired content appears in the feed.

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uvelichitel, 2015-03-31
@uvelichitel

  • Against
  • For incoherent questions and answers, add the ability to minus

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