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Artem00712017-03-11 00:09:35
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Artem0071, 2017-03-11 00:09:35

Do you need a sole proprietorship or LLC?

Good day!
Something I was thinking about one useless service :)
*Actually, it's just interesting how this can be implemented
Situation:
Make a service for selling entrance tickets to small events. (maybe not small, but that's not the point)
Let's say I'm creating a pretty site where you can actually buy a ticket
. Well, let's say that a certain key is created in this ticket, by which this person who bought the ticket can get to the event.
Where are the events from? Tritely someone wants to sell tickets for events, I keep a certain percentage as a service The
question is this:
It seems like this is not an online store, but something more complex like ..
That is, for good, I need a certain bank account, let's say Yandex money, money comes to it, and then I give it to the head of the event. The
question is in legality. Do I need some kind of IP or LLC or any other forms for this? If so, how to keep records (documented, so that everything would be fine with the tax office)
And which bank would you recommend :)

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yares, 2017-03-11
@yares

The fact is that you plan to make a profit.
1. If you want to try (to make a profit 1,2,3, 4 times), then you formally have only one obligation: to pay 13% of personal income tax as a citizen of the Russian Federation who makes a profit.
2. If you try endlessly, then there is an option to run into the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation, Article 14.1. Carrying out entrepreneurial activities without state registration or without a special permit (license) - from 500 to 2000 rubles. Basically, not much.
Pay attention to the wording from the tax code (in summary): "entrepreneurship = systematic profit making.
Well, that is, for 1 time and 3 times for making a profit, you are unlikely to be attracted
But if your activity brings a large income (2,250,000 rubles) or especially large income (9,000,000 rubles), or harm is done to the state or citizens for these amounts, then 171 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (fine, without imprisonment)
And if you suddenly repent and compensate for the harm, then on the basis of 76.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, you will be released from criminal liability.
3. It’s easier to open an LLC, with an authorized capital in the form of property for 10 thousand, switch to the USNO 6% and be responsible for all obligations with your company property (an old chair and a Pentium1 system unit, estimated by you yourself at a cost of 10 thousand rubles and contributed to the authorized capital as property)
But if you open an individual entrepreneur, then for all claims of counterparties and tax penalties, bailiffs will go to your home and nightmare your loved ones. Since the individual entrepreneur is responsible for his personal property. And just leave in English, as in the case of LLC, you will not succeed.
Well, if LLC, then bailiffs will go to the place of your state registration. Yes, and as a founder, it will be extremely difficult to make a claim against you, because on the basis of the 14-FZ on LLC, the founder is not liable for the debts of the company, and vice versa
. And by the way, if you are hired by an organization (LLC), then the LLC in this case will be tax agent in relation to you and will be obliged to calculate and withhold personal income tax from you. And in case of impossibility thereof - knock on the tax, so that this personal income tax would be withheld from you.

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dinegnet, 2017-03-11
@dinegnet

And the ticket sellers are with you without legal entities. persons generally agree will work then ?
;)
Moreover,
if you charge, for example, 1% for your services, then in order for you to earn at least a ridiculous 100,000 rubles, you need to drive 100,000,000 rubles through your personal account.
Do you really think that no one will ask you anything?
Starting from 600,000 banks are simply obliged (by law) to ask you a question - where does the loot come from.
And this (based on the cost of your services at 1%) is only 6,000 rubles of profit. Even the development of the site will not pay off for you, not to mention its promotion.

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Puma Thailand, 2017-03-11
@opium

you need from a legal entity you will not be able to accept money online

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Jacob E, 2017-03-11
@Zifix

Yes, LLC and IP are the most accessible forms that allow you to conduct business. The easiest way is to tie Yandex.Checkout, it will generate the necessary documents on its own. To automate the sending of documents to the tax office, etc. you can use services such as Circuit Elba, which is free for the first year for new IPs.
yares tells some horrors about individual entrepreneurs, in fact, no one will nightmare relatives because of a fine, he mixed up with collectors, apparently. Well, then, the tax is only 6%, it is quite easy to pay it on time.
To withdraw money from an individual entrepreneur to a personal account, you need to pay 6%, from an LLC at least 19%, and according to a rather muddy scheme once every three months.
There are many banks - Vanguard, Alfa, Tochka, Tinkov, etc.

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VMesser, 2017-03-11
@VMesser

Let's start small.
If the one who sells you tickets does not require the conclusion of an agreement for an LLC or individual entrepreneur, then do not fool yourself. If you see that things have gone well, and profits are growing, and there is enough to eat and put on and put off a new KIA, then you have a stable profitable business with the right model, then open an LLC or an individual entrepreneur, or anything for reinsurance. No one will pay attention to you while some website is hanging, and on the bank card where you withdraw money, there is a turnover of up to a couple of hundred thousand per month. Unless you yourself screw up in front of the client, and he does not want to dig out who the owner of the service is and how to sue him. But this is also rare. It is better to indicate Contacts for complaints, they will first write there and solve problems personally, humanly.

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mudatad, 2017-03-14
@mudatad

Where are the events from? Trite someone wants to sell tickets to events, I keep a certain percentage as a service

Banal??????
This is just the most difficult part - to negotiate with a sufficiently large number of event organizers. Or unwind to such an extent that they themselves will contact you.
Everything else - a website, an LLC, an individual entrepreneur - is simple, cheap and fast compared to this "banal" task of yours.

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