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goshan_p2018-04-12 10:15:47
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goshan_p, 2018-04-12 10:15:47

Do you need a college degree if you have experience?

We have the following initial:
- I am 21 years old
- I have a secondary specialized education
- 1.5 years of experience as a Java developer
- good written English (I communicate with foreign customers)
- I am constantly developing: I am learning new approaches, technologies, computer science base
- the university is a complete hat. They don't really teach anything there. I'm
tormented by the question of abandoning the Higher? I don't want to spend money or time on this. I think that in the future in 70% of cases it will not play a role.

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Maxim Osadchy, 2018-04-12
@waspmax1

I wouldn’t quit, at least I sat down to a bachelor’s degree, because experience is cool, but you can always stumble over a piggy who has a tower written in the requirements, and she doesn’t care about anything else. And in vacancies in java, I almost everywhere met requirements for a tower.

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Therapyx, 2018-04-12
@Therapyx

we had 500 people starting somewhere in the first semester, at the end only ~100 graduated. So, when talking with people from those 400 people, the answers were about the same. Waste of time, unnecessary items and blah blah blah. And this is in Germany, where the material is usually of primary (or almost) freshness.
Even my friend remembers how he started and shouted it's easy. A month later, when he took the documents, he said, “Well, I thought I would do useful things, but here it’s some kind of heresy!” When I asked which ones were useful? it turned out to be "writing code", and heresy is Computer Architecture, Networks, IT security, mathematics, etc... :D
University is worse than work, if you don’t look beyond what the prof shows, don’t discuss these topics with other people and stuff like that, then you are a student from the series “came at 8 in the morning, slept and went home”, and then you complain. What's stopping you from working and learning? We have a huge number of students doing just that, that's how people learn.
And now, a paraphrased quote from a good professional during smoke breaks - "They take everyone in a row, and then work with this biomass, they not only have zero abilities, but even less desire."
- In general, a strange question, usually people leave the university "without experience." And it's been 1.5 years now. When I had a year of experience, I didn’t leave the thought of going to a university and studying IT topics in general.

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HellWalk, 2018-04-12
@HellWalk

I am tormented by the question whether to abandon the Higher?

Opinions, as usual, will be divided into two camps - they will prove that the tower is not needed, all knowledge can be obtained in this way. Others - that the tower gives the correct base, but without it there is absolutely nothing at all.
In fact - your life, decide for yourself.
In my environment - there are people who have made a good career in programming even without a tower, and there are those who, with a specialized tower, are sitting on penny salaries.

an extra bag won't hurt. softer then it will fall on this very place

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Nikita, 2018-04-12
@jkotkot

"- the university hat is full. They don't really teach anything there"

Universities do not teach, it's true. Universities give you the chance to learn.
Higher education is voluntary. If you want to learn, ask questions to those who know, and if you don't want to learn, goodbye. Personally, I am pleased that my taxes are spent on those who really want to study. Maybe he will work for me later. Or I have him)) who knows how life will turn.
Many companies go to universities to find employees. Do you think they simply don’t know that universities don’t teach and every time they do nonsense? Or they still understand what they are learning
. In this country, you can get this knowledge for free, despite the fact that in other countries people are happy to pay big money for it.
I personally know quite a few people who have achieved something really worthless without VO
It is definitely worth going to a university for knowledge if you need it. But not for random knowledge, but for interesting and useful ones.
In my opinion, you should not go to a university right after high school. As a rule, it is still not entirely clear what is interesting, since in fact nothing has been tried. And, moreover, it is useful, since they have not yet lived an adult life.
It is worth it as soon as possible after a technical school and good practice, and even better, work for several years before that in different organizations and understand what will really be interesting and promising.
The university provides useful structured knowledge (or structures existing ones) and connections for the future (+ these are friendly acquaintances from the area of ​​​​interest to you, and this is always a plus if you are looking for a job or employees).
And the fact that you have been doing some kind of crud with a hibernate on a toad for a year and a half, all this has a very low value in the labor market.
My estimate is that in 90% of cases you will regret that you quit or did not go .. well, if you are active and ambitious. If gouging, then I agree with your assessment.

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Neron, 2018-04-12
Lordov @Nekto_Habr

I don't want to spend money or time on this.

With this wording, the answer is unequivocal: quit.

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devalone, 2018-04-12
@devalone

If you want to quit, it will be easier with a diploma.

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nikitinandrey1990, 2018-04-16
@nikitinandrey1990

I'll tell you a secret, but universities never teach anything. They are useless, so spending time on them is stupid, especially since on the Internet you can now learn more and in less time, especially if it is programming

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vanyamba-electronics, 2018-04-16
@vanyamba-electronics

For 36% of employers, higher education as a programmer is important, and only 4% need experience.

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