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Hydra_AG2021-10-16 17:38:07
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Hydra_AG, 2021-10-16 17:38:07

Are self-taught programmers valued in EU countries?

At the moment I am a 2nd year student in the specialty "Software Engineering" in a small town in our country. Already from the first lesson of the discipline "Programming in high-level languages" I began to suspect that they would not teach me anything here. Actually, that's what happened.

(The 70-year-old electrical teacher talked in pairs about how to collect potatoes, and sent me (the head girl) manuals for labs that had nothing to do with C # taught in the discipline, since they were about C ++ in best case).

In my second year, I realized that I was wasting my time in college not because I was super smart, but because I could spend my time on really useful things like learning Python. I want to drop out of high school and start self-taught.
Now there is a question about moving to an EU country such as Hungary, Estonia or Latvia (maybe offer your own option).

Question to the audience:
1) what are my chances of getting a job in such a country, while having a good level of English, a continuous year of self-education in the field of IT (ideally Python, since I hate C-languages, or something related to design and at the same time profitable)?

2) what steps to take in order to successfully get a job abroad without education?

3) tips for a beginner on a Python development learning plan: what kind of self-education plan do you see exactly?

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Sergey Gornostaev, 2021-10-16
@Hydra_AG

Professionals are valued, no one cares how this professionalism was obtained. But you need to understand, firstly, that there are many people who want to get a blue card, but there are few places. Therefore, you will have to compete with a whole bunch of professionals and, other things being equal, the owners of an additional piece of paper will have more chances. Secondly, the interest of Western employers begins at the level of professionalism that is achieved for very outstanding programmers after five years of work, and for the rest after ten. That is, your year of self-education is nothing at all.
PS The question on the resource was asked many times already. It is critically important for a programmer to be able to search for information on their own.

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Alexander Khomutov, 2021-10-16
@khomut

I don’t see the point of moving to the Baltics or Eastern Europe, you won’t find a better life there, it’s easier to move to the Moscow or St. Petersburg region

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Anton Shamanov, 2021-10-16
@SilenceOfWinter

don't worry - only the top 10 universities teach something, although it's not even important how they teach, but what kind of connections you get. Basically, the task of the university is to give you a general overview and understanding that school is over and reality has begun.
Are you a specialist or not - the second question, first of all - social skills. communication and language.
the best way to show "hu and yu" - international certificates and diplomas - this "language" understands any hr.
following trends and fashion is not always profitable - it is better to choose a less popular language / framework that is understandable and pleasant than drowning among the mainstream developers.

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mkone112, 2021-10-16
@mkone112

Of course, I agree that most of the "universities" in the CIS do not have the right to be called educational institutions, but

specialty "Software engineering"

this specialty is definitely not for
classes of the discipline "Programming in high-level languages"

WITH#

type of learning python

but behind the foundation.
I hate C languages

A developer without at least basic knowledge of C-like jap is a worthless developer.
related to design and at the same time profitable)?

according to the Python development training plan: what kind of self-education plan do you see exactly?

I suggest that you first decide what to do, and only then do it. Python, design and profitability are three different things.
PS if you thought that python is simpler than c-like jap - you were wrong. This is one of the hardest japs ​​to enter.

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Vladimir Korotenko, 2021-10-17
@firedragon


1) what are my chances of getting a job in such a country, while having a good level of English, a continuous year of self-education in the field of IT (ideally Python, since I hate C-languages, or something related to design and at the same time profitable)?

Java, C#, JavaScript, PHP, go, C, C++,
All these are similar and the most used are ranked by popularity.
2) what steps to take in order to successfully get a job abroad without education?

Get a job in an outsourcing company like epams or dataart, or work for upwork and fill yourself with a resume and then start contacting hr via linkedit
3) tips for a beginner on a Python development learning plan: what kind of self-education plan do you see exactly?

WZF RTFM
https://www.python.org/doc/

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Antonio Solo, 2021-10-16
@solotony

1) Why move somewhere? Now it is not at all a problem to find a remote job, including abroad. It all depends on your specific knowledge and experience.
2) to find a job, you need to publish a resume and respond to requests from employers and go to interviews
3) write programs. helps

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Alexander, 2021-10-16
@Aleksandr-JS-Developer

Your level of knowledge, experience and adequacy is 95% of your attractiveness for companies.

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Vitaly, 2021-10-17
@vt4a2h

I will try to briefly describe what you need:
- Get a diploma from any technical university in a technical specialty (this is just a formal criterion, without which you will not be corny given a work permit in most countries)
- Try to get fundamental knowledge at the institute and develop analytical thinking (super necessary a skill that has nothing to do with programming languages). This includes, for example, all kinds of "unnecessary" mathematics, algorithms, etc.
- While studying at a university, you can perfectly use the opportunity to undergo internships, including those abroad. This is perhaps the most important thing you need to focus on + the previous point.
- English. Learn all the time, without it the developer is simply a prof. unsuitable. It is desirable as a result to pass TOEFL / IELTS for high scores.
- Look towards the countries of Western Europe, Britain or the USA.

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