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norman2015-06-19 14:13:59
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norman, 2015-06-19 14:13:59

A remote employer requires you to make an IP, why is this needed?

Hello dear!
I have such a situation.
A remote employer requires you to make an IP, why is this needed?
What are the pros for him and what are the pros and cons for me? Isn't it possible to just receive money on the card unofficially?
I beg you to help me.
Thanks to.

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Sergey Krasnodemsky, 2015-06-19
@rushhighflyer

  • If you personally do not need IP, send to ..... the customer (veiled and allegorically, especially if they are decent people).
    PS
    Was on both sides of the barricades. To be truthful to the end - performers mow an order of magnitude more.
    99% of the code goes under the knife or is stored and never used. Written and launched, written and not reached production. For various reasons - gouging, sawing, experimental humor, lack of demand for startups for liking cats, moral obsolescence and bankruptcy. Budgets comparable to sending a man to Mars are being squandered. That is the industry.
    Have time in all this chaos to live a full life, gain experience, create something valuable for people.

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Victor, 2015-06-19
@witosp

Before opening an IP - ask a question for yourself - What will it take to close an IP.

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Valentine, 2015-06-19
@vvpoloskin

I'd rather find another employer. Why extra hemorrhoids?

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alk, 2015-06-19
@Alexey_Kutepov

Now they want to adopt a law regarding salary in envelopes. Yes, you can sit without it.

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Alexey Ukolov, 2015-06-19
@alexey-m-ukolov

The most significant disadvantage for you is the need to give about 30k rubles to the FIU annually. This year the amount is smaller - 22k, but every year it changes, it can grow. Whether you conducted activities, whether you received income - it doesn’t matter, you will have to pay in any case.

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Max, 2015-06-19
@mbelskiy

Apparently he wants to work with you in white. In this case, it is much more profitable for him to cooperate with an IP than with a physicist. Raise your rate by 10% + 20k per year.

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Sanes, 2015-06-19
@Sanes

Where is the guarantee that in a month you will not part?

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Vyacheslav Plisko, 2015-06-24
@AmdY

Work officially, even if you are not caught now, it is not a fact that in ten years they will not be taken. Even with a $50 million company, you can get burned trading links from a decade ago. https://dev.by/lenta/main/na-devbae-detali-po-delu...

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other_letter, 2015-06-19
@other_letter

1. Perhaps they really want to "whitewash". It threatens you with a minus in taxes (*)
2. Court - hardly (**)
3. Most likely. For their own employee, the employer pays a bunch of everything - contributions to the pension fund, some insurance there, and so on. This is actually a very substantial amount.
4. A partner, unlike an employee, does not have sick days or vacations.
Conclusion: without a significant increase in money, it is better to disagree.
* - the employee pays (almost himself) 13% of income and that's it. IP is getting worse.
** - You are in Russia? If so - well, who solves our problems through the Court? If you (as you yourself wrote) are not so cool, then the problems are not so cool. They just send.

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baimkin, 2015-06-19
@baimkin

If the customer is ready to pay you the amount paid to the FIU, I don’t see a problem that the customer wants to see you more legally responsible, for you it’s even + if you can really approach the work responsibly and soberly assess your knowledge for this work.
The only thing I would try to agree to pay the amount to pay in the PFR before opening the IP.

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Sergey, 2015-06-19
@Pjeroo

If the customer is an LLC, then he simply cannot pay for services to an individual. Correct me if wrong

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Vladimir Chernyshev, 2015-06-25
@VolCh

It is impossible to receive money on a card unofficially - it is prohibited by law, liability up to criminal liability for both you and the official of the employer / customer.
What is for you, what is for the employer in the case of official relations, the main interest is one - in the case of individual entrepreneurs on the simplified tax system by income, the difference (which will go to the state) between what the employer spends and what you get in your hands is minimal (6%) according to compared with labor relations (up to 40+%).
But keep in mind that if the tax authorities consider that an employment relationship (albeit remote) is actually hidden behind a work contract or the like, and the court agrees with it, then the difference in consequences with unofficial work will be minimal. Khodorkovsky knows this :) A gray scheme.
In general, if this is a real job (first of all, the main difference is that the salary is not tied to the result and is paid twice a month), then it is better to get a job, but be prepared for the fact that you will receive 40% less interest in your hands than through an individual entrepreneur or officially, if you cannot dictate your terms.

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fatrasie, 2015-06-25
@fatrasie

Under any contract for the provision of services with an individual, the organization pays almost all taxes, as when hiring. The difference is 2% in the FSS, because. sick leave is not provided in this case. Those. to the amount of the contract, another 30% will have to be paid by the legal entity.
And as already mentioned in the comments, a long-term contract, sooner or later, may be of interest to hide the actual employment relationship. Fines and other troubles.
I would also prefer to see IP in contractors. It is simpler and more reliable from many points of view.

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UA3MQJ, 2015-06-25
@UA3MQJ

IP is the legalization of your activity. And if the customer compensates for all these costs, then consider it a gift. And taxes are paid, and the pension fund. Opening an IP has become easier than before: I registered online, so in a day I almost received all the documents !!! The main thing here is that in case of closing the project (as it was in my case), do not delay, but immediately close, so as not to fly in, like me.

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Dmitry Shvalyov, 2015-07-09
@dshster

I can add to the cons of an individual entrepreneur - you are territorially tied to your tax office and bank, your tax office is at the place of registration, but, for example, you decide to work in another city or even in another region. In any conflict situation, you will have to go there personally. Of course, you can put online banking and an electronic certificate to send documents to the tax office, but these are additional costs. If you like to periodically move from region to region, then this can be a problem.

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Pavel Shinkarenko, 2015-07-17
@vspavel

Your customer asks to register an individual entrepreneur precisely because it is unprofitable for him to pay you as an individual, both in taxes (he needs to spend about 149 rubles on the 100 rubles you received) and according to documents (agreement, acts, invoices , tax and personalized reporting). And imagine that he has 100 people like you.
There are only a few ways out of this situation:
1) ask you to become an individual entrepreneur
2) if the customer is a large international company (not to be confused with the situation has an offshore company) - he can conclude a contract with you from a non-resident companies, then your taxes are your problem
3) the customer can conclude a contract with an international service - an intermediary who can formalize relations with you. One of these services is Solar Staff.

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