Which city should you move to?

Andrey Shaydurov2012-02-10 02:43:32

Andrey Shaydurov, 2012-02-10 02:43:32

Similar questions have already been asked in Q&A, but not in this context. I'm looking for a city not by the level of salaries in IT, but by the quality of life.

I was born and live in Vladivostok, and lately I have been completely dissatisfied with life in it. In connection with the upcoming APEC summit and a dozen "constructions of the century" (in terms of the number of which we are only inferior to Sochi), the image of the city began to deteriorate incredibly (although it was not very good before, the city was military), and prices are rising by leaps and bounds. Recently, for example, our real estate prices have caught up with prices in St. Petersburg.

I myself have been working remotely for several months for a stable good salary, and I have no connection to the city of residence. Against this background, I began to seriously think about where I would like to live. Sitting on Wikipedia for a long time on the pages of Russian cities did not give much sense, so I ask the habra community to suggest interesting options for me. The criteria are as follows:

1) not Moscow and not St. Petersburg
2) adequate prices for accommodation
3) normal ecology
4) developed Internet infrastructure (in terms of tariffs being at least 2-3 Mbit per 1000 rubles)
5) pleasant urban appearance, architecture
6) big pluses - sea or mountains
7) mild climate
8) population of the city from 30 to 500 thousand people (I don’t want too small and too big city)

While looking at Kaliningrad and Taganrog. Therefore, I would especially like to ask people living in these cities to say how you personally like them, what are the advantages, and what are the problems.

Thank you all in advance.

Since many have begun to advertise the Asian version, I want to warn you right away: don't bother, I'm interested in Russian cities. You can read the reasons in my comments to similar proposals.

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ArturSitnikoff, 2012-02-10
@ArturSitnikoff

Removed after 3 years as unnecessary information

Mikhail Lyalin, 2012-02-10
@mr_jok

live a couple of months in different cities, you will learn from your own experience that everywhere there are their ±

Ogra, 2012-02-10
@Ogra

Tomsk. The climate is not very mild, but I like it;)

Nail, 2012-02-10
@Nail

Pattaya

Rodion Baskakov, 2012-02-10
@crizis

Voronezh.
I myself am not from there, but I often visit relatives and at one time even wanted to move there from Moscow. Now the city is greatly ennobled. Real estate prices are quite adequate, the Internet is available. True, there are no mountains or sea (if this is very critical). :( On the other hand, it is extremely pleasant in terms of prices (compared to Moscow, I was surprised that the bus fare is only 8 rubles against Moscow 28). In general, it is very positive and comfortable there, according to my own judgments.

iamsaint, 2012-02-10
@iamsaint

Krasnodar Territory, the village of Kanevskaya. I myself am not from there, but for the second year I have been coming to rest. Really like. The people are calm and the prices are very reasonable. After 21:00, all young people under 18 stay at home (this is the law). To Krasnodar 2 hours by car, to the Sea of Azov 1 hour, to the Black Sea 5 hours. Internet available. The beer is excellent :)
From the minuses: It's hot, the end of June-July 40-45 in the shade, although the heat is not tolerated as hard as in the central strip. There is almost no snow in winter. For the new year, you can pick fresh dill from the garden into a salad.

proDOOMman, 2012-02-10
@proDOOMman

Look also towards Belgorod.
>1) not Moscow and not St. Petersburg ✔
>2) adequate prices for accommodation
Depending on what to call adequate prices. Living here is cheaper than in the capitals, but more expensive than in less developed cities.
>3) normal ecology ✔
It seems that in 2009 the region took the second place in the state of ecology.
>4) developed Internet infrastructure (in terms of tariffs being at least 2-3Mbit per 1000 rubles) ✔
>5) pleasant urban appearance, architecture ✔
The city is beautiful, well-groomed. Roads are good.
>6) big pluses - sea or mountains ✖
>7) mild climate ✔
Although this winter can hardly be called mild. Similar miracles of weather are now almost everywhere.
>8) the population of the city is from 30 to 500 thousand people (I don’t want a city that is too small and too big) ✔

petushok, 2012-02-10
@petushok

The question is interesting. I would recommend Volgograd . I would like to know why not Moscow or St. Petersburg?

Renat Ibragimov, 2012-02-10
@MpaK999

Why stop at one city, there is remote work, there is no problem, for example, to live in Thailand in one city or another, then in Asia Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, China. And there, look somewhere you will like it, because all the same, you need to understand the place of housing yourself, and you will stay there to live.

Akson87, 2012-02-10
@Akson87

Ukraine, Sevastopol!
A very nice city with nice people. And the sea is nearby and it’s not usually cold ...

Silver_Clash, 2012-02-10
@Silver_Clash

Volgograd was advised above, since I myself lived in Volgograd for a long time, I will leave a review.
Volgograd is not attractive in terms of living standards. The vendors are lazy, the service industry is underdeveloped, the roads are terrible, the streets are full of mud and there are few sidewalks.
The environment is quite bad (look how many factories are in the city), the climate is also quite specific.
Look towards Rostov and Krasnodar.

Emhyr, 2012-02-10
@Emhyr

In my opinion, there are very few places for comfortable living in Russia, the climate is not the same.
I would look at the Crimea or the cities of western Ukraine.

MNX, 2012-02-10
@MNX

Cheboksary (Chuvash Republic)
>1) not Moscow or St. Petersburg ✔
but the capital of Chuvashia :D
>2) adequate prices for accommodation
even nothing to compare with ... acceptable
>3) normal ecology ✔
on the other side of the forest
>4) developed Internet infrastructure (in terms of tariffs being at least 2-3 Mbps for 1000 rubles) ✔
about 500 ru for 15 Mbps
> 5) nice urban appearance, architecture ✔
Winner of the competition "The most comfortable city in Russia" in 2001.
> 6) big pluses - the sea or mountains
are not the sea or mountains, but on the banks of the Volga
> 7) mild climate
Winter is frosty, snowy, lasting an average of five months. Summer is warm, sometimes hot, lasting three to four months. ( wiki )
>8) population of the city from 30 to 500 thousand people (I don't want too small and too big city) ✔
453,645 people (2010)

Kasheftin, 2012-02-10
@Kasheftin

If you look at the points, then a number of cities in Eastern Europe are excellent. Moving across Russia is a change of sewing for soap. If such a question were asked from Moscow or St. Petersburg, Vladivostok or Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky would just advise on the principle of much further from Moscow. And since everything is so bad there, it is better nowhere inside and no.
Yes, more energy and determination is needed. You don’t know the language well - go where there are more Russians or similar to Russian.
With the move to Kaliningrad, they were 70 years late. That was the city. And now - ruins. A city without history, the entire center is destroyed, and I have never seen a population so indifferent to the history of the place where they live. Imagine that they took Prague, demolished the entire center, built up 5-storey buildings and live like those in the southern butovo. This is Kaliningrad.

prabhu, 2012-02-11
@prabhu

And how do you like this option: Ukraine, Ivano-Frankivsk. An hour drive and you are in the Carpathians. Mountain air, mild climate (there are even vineyards in Transcarpathia), the population is more than 200k, very good infrastructure, you can eat normally for a month for $150, rent an apartment - $200-300, Internet $25 20Mbps. In winter, ski slopes of Bukovel and Dragobrat, and in summer, warm mountain rivers. They said that tap water was transported to Donetsk under the guise of mineral water. With a greater desire, you can go to the Crimea. Last summer, travel costs were $200 round trip, not including lodging and meals. Ivano-Frankivsk is the leader in new buildings in Ukraine, so you can grab an apartment quite cheaply. At first, I can help with housing and transport. The only caveat is that you need to get used to the shy Ukrainian movie)

iFrolov, 2012-02-10
@iFrolov

strange discussion on habré

Scat, 2012-02-10
@Scat

Arkhangelsk
The only thing is that in winter there is a dubak and the day lasts 8 hours. But in summer it is hot, the sun does not set, it suits the rest of the parameters. Now a lot of money is pouring into the city, the presence of a federal university seems to be used as a base for the development of the Arctic shelf. There is Internet, decent speeds, there are not many IT companies, but there are. Ecology is quite good.

mickola, 2012-02-10
@mickola

It seems to me that Kaliningrad is the best choice. The climate is normal + Europe is close.

Stdit, 2012-02-10
@Stdit

Taganrog is not recommended. There is Yeysk not far from it , but the sea of Azov is also there, and I don’t know how it is now with the Internet. If you want a real sea and mountains, it is probably better to look towards the Black Sea coast.

Sergey, 2012-02-10
@TsarS

And I keep looking after the house in Pereslavl-Zalessky. I like it there. By the way. there is the Institute of Program Systems of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

Vladimir Chernyshev, 2012-02-10
@VolCh

Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky is suitable for almost all points, except for the available Internet, I have been waiting for 5 years :(

perl_demon, 2012-02-10
@perl_demon

I can advise Voronezh, although I myself am not satisfied with everything in it, but I would change it only for Kaliningrad. I really liked the city!

MuXaJIbI4, 2012-02-10
@MuXaJIbI4

I live in Kaliningrad and am very satisfied. The city is actively developing. There is enough work for everyone. The climate is moderate. Half an hour drive to the sea. Housing prices are tolerable, although I can’t say what is cheap either.
The boss from the office where I work right now moved to Kaliningrad 2 years ago and does not want to leave :)
Come take a look and draw your own conclusions. ;)

Puma Thailand, 2012-02-12
@opium

I live in Pattaya.
About the price of life just today dashed off an article in the blog
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Igor, 2012-02-10
@admhome

In fact, you can choose really long. If you are not interested in a million-plus city, then there are plenty of them in the west of the Moscow Region. And the farther from Moscow - the better the environment (in my city there is a forest park, a relatively normal river and a reservoir outside the city), lower housing prices (relative to Moscow time), Internet prices do not differ much (I have 600r - 16Mbit + 100r - dedicated un). If you need ecology, you can watch everything that is further than the 35 km zone. Although there is such a zone around all megacities where it is comfortable to live.

gre, 2012-02-10
@gre

Look at Ulyanovsk.
Near the Volga, many hills, parks.
There are some problems with traffic jams during peak hours, but compared to Samara, it's just a paradise.
Samara is also not bad, but there is no forest nearby and there are __very__ many traffic jams. But what kind of view on the embankment))
I still like Ulyanovsk more.

trollsid, 2012-02-10
@trollsid

Zelenograd is not big, it is relatively clean, there are a lot of it offices. One minus the housing prices in Moscow.

deex, 2012-02-10
@deex

I left Siberia for Kiev
According to the criteria, perhaps not everything corresponds, but I am very satisfied.

eydemidov, 2012-02-10
@eydemidov

Murmansk. There are classic Khrushchev houses, an ice-free port, near the Kola Nuclear Power Plant and the Northern Fleet :) Sights, again - recently a nuclear submarine burned in Roslyakovo!
But seriously, it seems to me that Vologda is quite suitable for all points, except for the sea / mountains. I liked the city, the climate is mild, different architecture is interesting, rivers and all that. And it is very old, I was struck by the abundance of all sorts of old pieces. Apparently, this is due to a very bright contrast with his native city - it is already very young, and even after the war it was collected in pieces.

Alexander, 2012-02-11
@smarkelov

Any city in Sweden or Finland, if in the south, then the climate will be quite normal.

Eugene, 2012-02-11
@r4tz52

Still, I would venture to recommend my homeland - the Novosibirsk Academgorodok :) Unlike Novosibirsk itself, it is small and green, squirrels run through the streets. There is a beach, a botanical garden, all the infrastructure, a lot of IT companies (from very small ones to Intel), Internet in the region of 800 rubles for 25 Mbps. In winter, however, it is cold.

nbandrei, 2012-02-11
@nbandrei

I would recommend Grodno. The optimal combination of the Belarusian cheapness of social services (food, accommodation), Western architecture and Soviet tranquility. Near Poland and the Baltic States.

xoros, 2012-02-12
@xoros

Maybe not advice, but observations from experience.
He lived in the Leningrad region in a provincial oil town, where his entire career was tied up at the plant. 5 years ago he moved to St. Petersburg, housing prices are now from 15k to 25k for a odnushka (depending on the area). The price tag for transport is the same as in Moscow, products in Hypermarkets are cheap. The Internet is fabulous - on my tariff the guaranteed minimum is 50 megabits, but in fact 70-90 megabits for 300 rubles. But the bustle of the city is annoying especially during peak hours. Although it is so good in the hot summer to walk along the embankments in the evening. In terms of nature, the Karelian Isthmus and Karelia itself are very close.
But there is also a desire to move, where it is warmer. Fell in love with Volgograd but read it here, apparently not worth it.

Georgy Khromchenko, 2012-02-12
@Mox

Dubna might be suitable. It is 120 km from Moscow, a small city, on the banks of the Volga, good places + good people.

paralon, 2012-06-22
@paralon

Did you choose anything in the end? :)

Julia123, 2014-03-16
@Julia123

I recommend Voronezh. We ourselves moved here from the north, first we searched on the Internet, on a trusted site, and then we bought it. Here, I recommend www.nov-adres.ru/catalog/prodazha/kvartir

tiss040, 2017-05-03
@tiss040

In the village of Murom, on the site where the Laptau fortress was, a new village is being built. Land with all communications. Even broadband internet is provided. I don't think that you can still find a completely finished site, where everything is done for only 20 thousand rubles per hundred square meters.