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skvoshiz2016-05-15 01:59:57
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skvoshiz, 2016-05-15 01:59:57

What is the significance of a diploma in business in the CIS (IT industry)?

I asked a toaster question over a year ago:
What is the impact of higher education on an entrepreneurial career?
I really liked the answers.
(Due to personal cockroaches in my head, I will say that this question is fictional and all the examples too)
But now I began to think more globally, because. more experience and knowledge in this area and moving higher, I asked myself the question “What is the significance of a diploma in business in the CIS (IT industry)?”, The answer was - the diploma is not related to business, only practical knowledge is needed. But I'm interested in other people's attitudes.
But everything is in order:
Having concluded that it is necessary to try to study at a university, I, at the moment, have studied there for a year and a half.
At the moment, in Donetsk, I won’t speak for other cities and countries, the university teaches students “slavery”, i.e. given the task - do it. Motivation at the university - a good grade then a diploma.
Because I study as a Software Developer at a Technical University and at the same time I support several of my projects, I have an understanding of what is happening “on different sides of the barricade”.
The knowledge that is given to a student at a university is VERY outdated, a student spends almost 5 years on it (Bachelor), and with this knowledge he will not be able to create his own high-quality project by modern standards, he has no idea at all about what is happening in IT now industry.
Because I study part-time, attend university 2-4 weeks a year, communicate with teachers and understand that they either do not know, or do not want to show it, that this knowledge is no longer relevant.
I have been studying everything on the Internet since the 9th grade and after half a year of study I already had an income, a year later I had a passive income on which I could survive, and after 2 years the passive income reached the point that I found myself in a zone of complete comfort, but moving on leaving the comfort zone.
Outcome / Conclusion: after graduation, a student becomes a worker who can only perform assigned tasks. A person who spends time not on a university, but on self-education, only he can become a good entrepreneur.
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Maxim Kudryavtsev, 2016-05-15
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The point of a university is not to teach you how to use some language/library/framework.
When I myself was in 1-2 courses, I asked myself a strong question: “Why do I need this C ++? Now PHP & CodeIgniner is used very widely for the web, there are a lot of orders on freelance exchanges for this stack, these keys are often in job descriptions That's why I'm asking this C++ of yours with its memory management and other unnecessary things..." But 4 years have passed, I received a diploma. By this time, CI was already blown away, everyone began to actively use alternative languages ​​- Python, Ruby. PHP frameworks have also changed - Yii, Laravel...
That's all I'm talking about ... Univer should lay a foundation in you, a base that will not become obsolete in 3-4-5 years by the time you receive your diploma. And what is this foundation? Let's say the PHP, Ruby, Python interpreters are written in C, and knowing C / C ++ you can very easily learn any higher language, the syntax is by and large the same everywhere. Knowing how the interpreter works in print, you can write your own programming language. And if the language may often not be needed, then I have to write parsers from somewhere somewhere very often, and any parser has a simplified programming language grammar. Do you think the need for parsers will die out soon? What doesn't it seem to me...
Now the topic of neural networks, artificial intelligence, machine learning has become very popular ... And what lies at the very basis of this? Yes, banal graph theory. Any neural network and AI is, by and large, a graph, yes, with a complex structure, yes, sometimes magic can start to work in it, but nevertheless this structure and basic operations with it were proposed and studied back in the middle of the last century. When will graph theory become obsolete? There are more graphs around us than you think - the route of public transport, at least for example. "How to get from point A to point B" is a typical traveling salesman problem. When will it go away? I think only with the invention of a device for teleportation, and it’s not a fact that completely.
First of all, a university should lay a foundation in you, and in the correspondence / evening departments, you do not get the knowledge that makes up this foundation of yours, but a piece of paper, the need for which is doubtful in the current realities in the post-Soviet space.
Speaking about the fact that "technologies that are relevant for business now are not studied at all, the university provides outdated knowledge, etc.", I can only say one thing - only one thing will always be relevant for business - solving its operational problems with the minimum possible resources. But what kind of tools help to optimize the company's operations - Java, Python or something else in the range of 2-3 years can vary greatly. It is really possible to learn a new language/framework and start solving problems on it in 2-6 weeks, if you are not a fool of course. What kind of language / framework it will be - you need to look at the tasks of the company and the tools available on the market for solving them and studying them already and be lured.

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vjjvr, 2016-11-22
@vjjvr

Diploma matters:
In the civil service
In large corporations
When obtaining visas to work abroad

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Puma Thailand, 2016-05-15
@opium

IT specialty and entrepreneurship are different things and they are weakly related, it is not surprising that you noticed this, entrepreneurs have other specialties at the university.

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Express777, 2016-05-16
@Express777

What is the importance of a business degree, you ask?
I am currently reading Second Chance by Robert Kiyosakai. There is a lot of detail about education.
So, according to the author, traditional education does not provide the main thing that is needed in business - financial education. That is, there you can learn anything you want - mathematics, geography, geometry, programming languages, but not financial education.
The book talks a lot about cash flow. Naturally, I can’t state everything, the volume does not allow.
But specifically, about education, the author says that universities train specialists in you, at a time when you need to be a generalist for business. Moreover, he talks about American education, where the level is much higher than in the CIS.
I recommend the book. Even if you are not going to open a business, I am not saying this to the author of the question, since he has already opened it, but to everyone who has read this question.
UPD: For myself, I decided to enroll in part-time this year. I decided that going twice a year is not very burdensome. I had to make a choice this year before February - to spend money on a diploma or to invest the same money in starting a business. I chose the first option myself, without outside interference.
While I'm not ready for the second option, perhaps the intellect is not enough.
Next year until February, I will also have a choice. But which one I don't know yet.

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