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Snikmas2020-07-08 11:43:00
IT education
Snikmas, 2020-07-08 11:43:00

Should a beginner take courses from GeekBrains or Skillbox?

Everywhere now I hear about them, but I don’t know if they are really good or if it’s pure PR.
Interested in information security courses.

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twoone, 2020-07-08
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The lion's share of courses / video tutorials will not bring any benefit. In addition, I realized from personal experience that the more famous the sellers, the more useless the program and its presentation. Most likely, the fact is that cool brands see only business in the learning process, and those who create programs, those with whom they cooperate are selected only according to the criteria of belonging to a well-known brand. In simple words, the dude worked in a cool company and occupied some kind of position there, which means he has now become a cool teacher. For example, if you ask if a cool proger can be a cool manager, then everyone will say that it’s far from a fact, and even vice versa, it’s a rarity. But for some reason they cannot understand that a proger, regardless of the level, cannot become a teacher in the same way. Teaching, creating your own programs, is a very hard and time-consuming work.
Ask yourself questions .. How much do you think a dude who is cooler than any senior should earn in a year with the expectation that he does not spend many times more? How much should the course cost? How long will this course remain valid? How much should the course cost now? And since they are so cheap, what quality?
Therefore, from my own experience, I was convinced that the coolest courses are those that ordinary people do in order to improve their status and technical skills. Most of these courses are free.
As for from zero to pro and employment .. Are they lying? That's what the school is lying when it says that you will be taught from scratch before entering the university? Is it the school's fault that 98% are not able to master it at the level necessary for admission to the university? No courses can guarantee that all those who could not master the school curriculum were able to master their program at the level at which one can talk about employment.
Books are also meaningless. Docks are only informative when the technology is very advanced. Practice in seclusion brings benefits but too slowly. And to say that courses and lessons are useless is impossible. They are very, very helpful. Mirror neurons are a very powerful tool.

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GeorgyDunkel, 2020-07-13
@GeorgyDunkel

To talk about the absolute uselessness of courses is no less reckless than to declare their exceptional usefulness.
Although, with the wording of the question "is it worth it?", The answer is always no, it's not worth it.
If a person is maximally tuned in to learning a new profession, he should learn how to systematically analyze information, and not try to get a simple answer to a complex question.
One of these schools definitely provides the possibility of test access to a paid course, where you can draw a conclusion at least about the structure of information presentation and study the functionality of the course.
Further, you can get a detailed course program for free, compare it with the current roadmap of the profession (it is advisable to check this map with hh.ru, if you know what I mean :D), then parse each element separately for its relevance to the profession, etc. etc.
Talk about employment should be ignored, like any marketing phrases "from 0 to PRO", etc., but also take into account that the presence of such wording is not necessarily an indicator of the poor quality of the course, you need, first of all, basic knowledge and some no learning structure.
Among the big players outspokenthere is no hack and divorce, it’s just that people don’t understand how the sphere of online schools works and naively (PR people contribute to this) believe that the course is an ideal squeeze of material in structure and content or a comprehensive platform where you can learn a profession comfortably and without straining.
Long story short: with the right approach, courses can be a great starting point, provided that the “student” is ready to independently analyze the information provided by the course, reveal it, go deeper, look for additional opportunities for practice, etc. etc.
The financial side of the issue, in my opinion, is indecent to discuss. All people are adults and, hopefully, can decide for themselves how to effectively invest in education.

Coolstory from life

В 2017 году решил плотно заняться инглишом, выбрал курс, где есть живое общение с т.н секонд тичерами(как правило, это студенты филологи) 4 дня в неделю по 15 мин. Набор стандартный: сяськи-масяськи, 30 мин в день (15 видос+15 общение) и вы заговорите на английском, у нас весело, интересно, эгегей. Приняв эту доктрину, на выходе можно получить следующее: конец курса, в голове каша, иллюзия, что знаешь английский, которая разбивается как только требуется что-то большее, чем перекинуться парой фраз с иностранцем. А можно подойти к вопросу серьезно и выжать из курса максимум, изучая ВСЕ доп материалы, занимаясь не 30 мин в день, а 130., погрузиться в язык с головой, сделать его частью жизни. Курс -один, подходы- разные.

PS I understand the negativity of experts regarding such courses. I'm even afraid to imagine how many low-level "pros" are on the market thanks to them. But, in my opinion, this is not so much a problem of courses as of people who want to quickly and with minimal effort become IT specialists.

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