Mechanism of 5 units of karma?

Question

Habr

Recently, there have been a lot of questions on Habré regarding the impossibility of writing an article due to insufficient karma. “How to write?”, “Why can’t I write an interesting article?” etc.
The very idea of ​​such a restriction is more correct than not. But the abolition of personal blogs and the inclusion of a minimum threshold of 5 karma essentially killed most of the opportunities for writing good articles and influx of new authors.
I have 2 articles in my profile: a translation that collected 42 pluses and no pluses in karma, and an article about my project that collected 5 minuses and about the same number of minuses in karma. Perhaps the sample is not representative, but it can still describe the trend: pluses are put only at a personal request, and minuses are just like that.
Therefore, in this issue (and I can’t create a survey topic:) I propose to share my thoughts on improving the mechanism of restrictions on writing posts.
I'll start with my suggestion: there should be a special blog in which a person can publish a post with any karma, even negative. It can be called anything, "Personal Blogs" for example. Articles in this blog cannot go to the main page, but after typing a certain number of pluses to the article, the author can transfer it to the thematic blog. Such a sandbox, only for already registered users.

Answer 1

Then you need to make sure that the Nth number of pluses for the article adds 1 unit to the karma, you can do the same with the rating.

Answer 2

earlier in the footer of the topic, next to the plus / minus for the topic, there was a green button in the form of an arrow pointing up. This was the button "raise the author's karma" so that lazy people do not have to go to the profile for a plus. There was a good thing, then 10-15 pluses in the topic were “converted” into one plus into karma, because. it was easier for many to click another arrow. Then it was removed, such as to avoid distortions. But now it is really skewed in the other direction, because. minus ones are more active, as a rule, than positive ones.
But arguing with UFOs is useless, so I personally hammered the bolt on this case.

Answer 3

I think that we should at least give the opportunity to write to personal blogs. You can’t even dream about an additional button at the end of the post to raise karma.

Answer 4

Well, there is - habrahabr.ru/blogs/personal/ , but I'm not sure if it's possible to write there with zero karma
. And the fact that pluses are put into it is really very rare even if the article has + 50-100, this is unfortunately true.

Answer 5

I agree. It is easy to slide from pluses to minuses, but it is almost impossible to rise by one's own efforts.

Answer 6

All such topics, alas, have a lot of common sense under them, alas, they will not have any effect. The administration of the resource does not listen, and does not even read any suggestions for improvement. All decisions are made by a narrow circle of people, and priorities are sorted by projected financial profit. User-friendliness, material quality, and other niceties are, by definition, a low priority. You can consider that my words are just nonsense of a sick person, but practice, alas, shows that I am rather right.

Answer 7

“Even negative”, in my opinion, is superfluous. From zero.

Answer 8

+1, let anyone who wants to write to personal blogs, if his creations are appreciated by + karma and it becomes positive, then the author is good and he can be posted to thematic blogs

Answer 9

There is a very simple human aspect at work here: praise is taken for granted by most people, but criticism in most cases is taken as a personal insult. But even more interesting is that a conversation on abstract topics leads to a similar result: if the opinion expressed corresponds to the personal one, it should be so, and if the expressed point of view differs: “You are a bitch! .. What am I to you ...” and "minus" in karma immediately.

Answer 10

Blog "Abyss"

Answer 11

In my opinion, it would be right if the ability to publish an article was influenced not by karma, but by rating. Since the rating tends to karma over time, this will not lead to the publication of tons of slag, but will temporarily provide an opportunity for adequate, but downvoted people to write articles. That. if a downvoted habrauser gains a rating on comments / answers, he automatically gets a temporary opportunity to publish an article (until the rating automatically decreases). If he writes something useful, he will receive both karma and a rating, and either get out of the minus, or extend the period during which he can be published. He writes slag - it will merge the rating back and even lower karma - it will be more difficult for him to get the opportunity to publish the article again. Thus, there will be more articles and self-regulation will manifest itself much more strongly (now it practically does not work at all). For example, I can easily get out of the minus rating, but I don’t want to beg for karma or make a reset. I think there are a lot of such people, and many of them could write on Habr.
Of course, there are also disadvantages - Petrosyans who have sharply received a rating on a funny comment will get the opportunity to publish - but self-regulation will minimize this harm. The current system, after all, is also not without flaws - all sorts of boomburums can publish ads and other slag without fear of being downvoted (there simply aren’t enough downvoters). What do they use from time to time?
PS But the habr cake was when the registration was open ...

Answer 12

The stump is clear that no one is interested in working to their own detriment, so the balance of support for Habr should converge at least to zero. I do not claim to be 100% correct, but I imagine it this way:
Expenses:
1. Hosting.
2. Support.
Income:
1. Banners (clicks, views, links).
2. Corporate blogs.
Question: what for to limit the flow of visitors?
The answer is simple: to limit the target audience, thereby reducing the load (costs) and increasing the relevance of information (contextual advertising).
Invites serve as a means of limiting the target audience.
Now another question: what for it was necessary to make a limit of 5 for karma per post?
It's not clear, but you can try to do "reverse social engineering" :)
There are three types of users on Habré:
1. Those who can write (conditionally, writers).
2. Those who can only comment (commentators).
3. Those who can only read (readers).
Apparently, so that the cake does not roll into fucking shit, the administration adheres to the model of limiting the target audience.
Then what could be expected by introducing a karma restriction on publication?
1. This will not affect writers, the existing target audience will remain.
2. Commentators will be directly affected.
2.1. Part will become more active in order to gain karma for the possibility of fasting. In addition, there will be fewer shitposts.
2.2. Many newcomers will not be able to publish their articles and will either pervert the Q&A or leave.
3. This will not affect readers, the existing target audience will remain.
Half a year has passed since the introduction of this feature, so I think any sloppiness and experimentation can be discarded. Draw your own conclusions.

Answer 13

say obvious things ...
habr needs to be more flexible

Answer 14

There is also an idea to make the karma poll the same as for articles: karma is not immediately visible and you can either increase it, or decrease it, or view it.

Answer 15

Hmm, thought about the question.
Wrote an article in the sandbox, received an invitation - 40 rating, 80+ put in favorites.
I began to write posts, q & a, read q & a - there is not a single message with a minus, some are plus.
The result of karma was at first 8, now 5. Judging by the trend, next week I will become a complete noob.
Can anyone explain why this is happening? What other merit is needed?

Answer 16

Also, the article cannot be saved even as drafts. Keep as you wish.

Answer 17

Gentlemen, can you throw karmas? Would like to post the translation docs.google.com/document/d/1gSNC-BUxKjbTNvXVn3197ZVnScx_E1ZuxzmK_1TsWtg/edit?hl=en#

Answer 18

I'm wondering, it's just a cry from the heart. Registered by an invite from UFO. Wrote an article. Didn't like it. They took karma to -. Okay, dropped it. Now I just comment and answer questions. All comments come with +. So what for, comrades, to climb into the profile and again karma in - to take away? There are many ideas for materials. I do not want to publish from another habruser.