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zhencowalencko2018-01-26 22:45:33
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zhencowalencko, 2018-01-26 22:45:33

Is layout still relevant in freelancing?

Hello! Still relevant in freelancing: layout and stretching on wp? Or does it even make sense to study because of the overflow of the market? Is it worth learning something else? Tell me about upwork in this regard.
My knowledge is purely theoretical, in theory I know html, css, jquery, php, node.js at the university I studied c ++ and 1c. After high school, I looked at books and read courses for about 2 years. It looks like it was just ruining my eyesight in vain ...
The city has 500 thousand, in all firms it's about the same - we don't need beginners.

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cyberlain, 2018-01-27
@zhencowalencko

That's right, "it doesn't even make sense to study because of the overflow of the market." I spent a year and a half freelancing, I do not advise anyone. Work on the customer's Wishlist can take up to a month, the customer can quit (and this happened, yes). There is a chance to find an adequate manager (who has a whole farm of such cheap working cattle), they can still throw off more or less regular orders, but the payment will be small. In offices, it’s about the same (if you take some thread of a millionaire city, then 100 web studios where workbenches are made up for a penny and 5-10 top ones, where they pay normally, but the workbenches sit there evenly and there is no turnover), but there are at least chances to get your pennies - higher. Now I am ashamed that I devoted myself to this work for several years. Disgraced with his choice specifically. Although now I'm typing quite up to my level

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xmoonlight, 2018-01-27
@xmoonlight

Layout layout - strife!
To be able to get good orders with a lot of competition, you need to have 4-5 validly designed and active / "live" templates for different types of sites with fairly complex content elements.
If you want to typeset professionally and for decent pay - study and gain experience.
PS: You can check this list .

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Puma Thailand, 2018-01-27
@opium

A lot of work, someone needs to make up and develop the frontend

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Ukaliika, 2018-01-27
@Ukaliika

There are a lot of Indians on upwork, they take simple work and dump prices.
You need to have spoken English of an intermediate level and above if you are a regular specialist.
If you specialize in small, that is, narrow niches, then writing will be enough for the first time.
If you are talking about layout in the general sense, then the competition is very big, the same is true in design and conventional programming, there are a lot of ordinary specialists.
I think it’s better for you to get a remote job in Russia as a simple layout designer, the salaries there are small, about 20-30 thousand rubles for beginners.
Search hh.ru.
Learn also adaptive layout, without it there is little point in working, since all the work is focused on it.
In addition to upwork, there is also guru.com, where you can also find something and there is much less competition.
Also look for a job on Google and job listings on various sites, online stores, both foreign and Russian.

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Anton Filippov, 2018-01-27
@vicodin

Relevant

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McBernar, 2018-01-27
@McBernar

No need.
Learn JS, go to a big company that develops their products, to the front-end position. There will be a good salary and a great job. Freelancing is a dark and dead end road. Just like any other job on the freelance exchange. Listen to the person in the first comment.

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rumcola, 2018-01-27
@rumcola

Maybe I will be bombarded with checkers, but it seems to me that soon there will be no workbenches as a profession. Everything will be automatically typed with good and clean code from graphic editors.
Now I periodically turn to layout designers on the exchange, I searched several times, in the end I found a couple of people who do it quickly and efficiently (and if it’s of poor quality, they fix jambs that come out for free and promptly). Advice - now there is more and more work on layout not from PSD, but from Sketch, if you adapt, it will even be easier. for one landing page - in 2018 I pay 6 - 7,000 rubles.
+ the most important thing is normal communication, good instruction, and support at the entire stage of layout and after) Then clients will become regular and you won’t have to freelance)

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Nikita Shchypylov, 2018-01-26
@Nikulio

So-so. Easy money, but PPC work is boring and monotonous (IMHO). There are orders, but a couple of days after the order appeared on the site, there are already 50+ offers for it. IMHO, you can start, but then go to an adjacent branch. For example, write drivers in assembler :)

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Niktofil, 2018-01-28
@Niktofil

Well, what conclusions did the author draw?

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Ivan V, 2018-02-01
@verkhoturov

I may be wrong, but I got the impression that the author of the question thought about freelancing as a full-fledged replacement for work only because " A city of 500 thousand, in all companies it's about the same - we don't need beginners ." Those. the author clearly initially wanted to get into the office.
Maybe it's better to solve the original problem, and not its consequence?
What's stopping you from gaining experience?
Apparently, in the evenings you have time to study technology " for the soul ." So spend this time freelancing locally. Find simple tasks on the exchanges and take the minimum payment. Yes, even for friends and for free. But in half a year or a year, as a result, there would be a portfolio - several working (!) Sites, laid out according to modern requirements.
For employers, you will no longer be a pig in a poke, but a specialist who can solve specific problems.
And you are considering the option of freelancing, but why not consider the option of a full-time job, but remotely? Then you won't be limited to your city of 500k.

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zhencowalencko, 2018-01-28
@zhencowalencko

Thank you all for the constructive answers, looking through similar questions, I noticed that there is no such immersion in the topic.
I realized that since I know English at the level of translate.google.com, and in my city, newcomers didn’t give up to anyone for nothing, then there’s no point f * nu to tear burning eyes with css properties, I will continue to earn money by selling sofas and stools.
I will study in the evenings for the soul as a hobby.
Having become acquainted with different technologies, I liked node the most, so I will use it in the evenings, now I use it for parsing, working with files. I also looked at the options on the upwork, there you need to almost be a god, especially in the blockchain.

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Dmitry Slepnev, 2018-01-28
@dimaslepnyov

Take care of the frontend (js + its entire ecosystem) or backend (php / node.js) and you will be happy. What's the problem?

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iliyaisd, 2018-02-01
@iliyaisd

Now such a phenomenon as layout in its pure form no longer exists, but there is a very (very, very) highly demanded front-end. Those. it's html+css as a matter of course, javascript (plus angular 1/2, react and/or vue) and preferably a little more knowledge of node.js and/or some back-end technology. There are a lot of vacancies on this topic. You can find remote.
There is also a stretch for WordPress, but more for the foreign market. On upwork, half of the orders are WordPress. You can try to cling to some team involved in this matter. But it’s better then to immediately learn the whole vp (if you don’t get sick of it).

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