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Sasha Kosman2015-08-04 12:07:59
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Sasha Kosman, 2015-08-04 12:07:59

How can a Russian IT specialist leave to live and work in Ukraine?

I'm a 23 year old female coder with some knowledge of frontend development, making websites. I live and work in Russia - father =) After a recent regular trip to Kyiv, I want to move to live and work in fraternal Ukraine. There are several pressing questions, the answers to which I would like to receive first-hand:

  1. What is the percentage of Ukrainian IT companies' interest in Russian specialists?
  2. How likely is formal employment?

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Alexander Skakunov, 2015-08-04
@Cosm

March 9 article - " How a Russian programmer started a new life in Ukraine ".
Everything is fine with us in Ukraine, come.

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Ivan, 2015-08-04
@ATNC

It doesn't matter what country you are from. Companies are looking for specialists, not citizens of any country. The conditions will be the same whether you are a Hindu or a Korean. If you can and will do what you were hired for.

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Saboteur, 2015-08-04
@saboteur_kiev

Do not confuse the Donbass region, where not IT companies closed, but in general, almost everything was closed, and everything else. Listening to Russian TV about the situation in Ukraine is definitely not worth it.
If you are mid and higher + English, you will be able to find a job in Kyiv. But you can first go through interviews, get an offer, and then move.
Citizens who believe that everything is bad in Ukraine have apparently watched TV with news made in the Russian Federation.
The war in the east and the life of the rest of Ukraine (especially large cities) are very different things.
The girl, who is not in danger of being drafted at all, is spared this as well.
But our Internet is better, freer, there are no stupid Roskomnadzors and Mizulins.

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Stas Parshin, 2015-08-04
@stasparshin

Do not listen to anyone from Russia about what is "going on in Ukraine."
Here (in Ukraine) everything is fine, the main thing is not to go to Crimea and Donbas. Many outsourcing companies work, there is a demand for developers. A more or less intelligible specialist will not have any problems.
Here, for example, current vacancies .

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Puma Thailand, 2015-08-04
@opium

1) they are little interested, for example, now there are more people on the upwork from Ukraine than from Russia.
2) is also unlikely now
In general, given what is happening in Ukraine, this is an extremely stupid act, move to some kind of Belarus.

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Sanes, 2015-08-04
@Sanes

Silently. I bought a ticket and went.

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nagibator8000, 2015-08-05
@nagibator8000

I would wait 2-3 years for the situation to normalize.

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Konstantin, 2015-08-04
@baraboshinkg

It is not entirely clear why a citizen of the Russian Federation, also a programmer, should go to Ukraine. Work in the Russian Federation to a fig and more. They generally pay more. I want something else, there is the EU and the States. What is the interest then? Or is it just trolling?

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Dave, 2015-08-04
@djay

A little bit of knowledge is not the answer to the question that any employer will ask you first. You will be asked specifically about your work, about your experience. And if there is no real experience and portfolio (or the portfolio is too primitive), you will be refused everywhere. That's the truth, what can you do.
Before deciding to take such steps, you first need to ironically and accurately find an employer who will hire you. Go to https://djinni.co and look for something suitable for your skills. If you find, agree, then only then go to the ready place.
And as Puma said, chaos is happening in Ukraine now and it’s not safe, and it’s not a fact that in a month another they won’t start bombing Kyiv, so think carefully whether you need it or not.

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@codingal, 2015-08-04
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98% of Ukrainian companies operate under the FOP scheme - an analogue of IP. Or "black", which is unlikely to go to large companies, to find a job on a "white" salary, the chances are almost zero.
Review the vacancies and try to realistically assess your knowledge and skills, if you are applying for the position of trainee / junior, then keep in mind that due to the crisis and numerous courses, about 300 resumes come to starting positions in the first week (real data for Kiev), you will need to don't get lost among them.
Salaries "dipped" in dollar terms, especially for starting positions - this is in the region of 300-600 dollars, of which 200-300 will have to be paid for rent.
If you want to move, I advise you to look from there, and come to the offer already. Explain the situation to the recruiter, in 90% of cases they will agree to interview you via Skype, it is better to cooperate with someone to rent in a clubbing. If you arrive alone at once, you can experience serious stress while you are looking for a job - you will have to pay for rent immediately in 2 months + to live on something, and you may not find a job in the first month.

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GavriKos, 2015-08-04
@GavriKos

1) Companies just need specialists. And there, whether he is from abroad or not, a normal company does not care. However, Ukraine has enough of its own specialists - there may be difficulties.
2) It is quite possible for yourself - just discuss it with the employer right away.
In general, it is best to ask this remotely from specific employers. Find several offices, write to them - they don’t take money for asking. Plus, find out in advance what package of documents you need in the migration service. In some countries (Belarus), permission is required for the employer to hire a specific foreign specialist.

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other_letter, 2015-08-04
@other_letter

Kyiv is a beautiful city, I understand you.
However... Are you such a good coder? Are you missing there? Look at the situation soberly.
Now for specific questions:
1. He is. Recently there has been a considerable outflow of in-house specialists and there are not enough of them. Russians have almost the same mentality, they know the language (in Kiev, almost all speech is in Russian)
2. Not only possible, but also necessary. The situation will be slightly complicated by the SBU check, but usually it does not pass very noticeably.

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Elizaveta Borisova, 2015-08-04
@Elizaveta

What's the question?
You need to get a job offer, a contract, (+ help in placing on the ground), for this you need to pass an interview.
In Kyiv, international companies are now predominantly hiring. The only question is whether you have enough skills to compete with the Ukrainians in a crisis. For example, on the same djinni level "make websites" can be estimated at $500/month

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asArtem, 2015-08-13
@asArtem

We dumped from there and thank God. And no money is needed (yes, salaries in Kiev are now higher and the competition is the same as before - that is, almost zero)
All this is pink snot about "I visited Kiev and liked it." I suppose I saw a handsome guy and something hit me in the head. Do not confuse tourism with emigration. But I highly recommend - go. There you will quickly discover the whole "truth".
>> How possible is formal employment?
no and forget it. Ukraine is at the level of the 90s in terms of employment and protection of workers' rights. 50% of firms pay in black, another 50% pay as an individual entrepreneur (FOP is called there). I think you don’t need to explain that an individual entrepreneur is a businessman and you can easily throw him, break a contract with him in 1 day and do anything if a crisis has begun at the company? ZP not to pay \ zadrezhivat for 2-3 months, for example. According to the work book, you can only get a job in the library or in Samsung. Of course you will be told that these are all fairy tales. Until you face reality. Of the pluses - there IT is more developed than in Russia and the salary is in dollars (tied to the exchange rate)
Frontend knowledge alone is not enough for anyone, but they can take it further by teaching something.

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