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zipofar2017-03-08 10:58:28
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zipofar, 2017-03-08 10:58:28

Full-time remote work for a junior, fact or fiction?

I am a junior php developer with no teamwork experience. But I am offered a lot of full-time remote work options. Salary is promised in the region of 30 thousand. Is there really such a shortage of personnel in the market? Or are these suggestions all fiction? Technical interviews are rather weak even for me. Those. questions like "explain a many-to-many relationship", how to send an ajax request, etc. You might think that everything is fine, take it and try it. But there is one "BUT", you will have to leave your current job with a stable salary. I'm sitting here scratching my head.

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OnYourLips, 2017-03-08
@OnYourLips

Is there really such a shortage of personnel in the market?
There is no hunger, they just want to save money.
In Moscow, salaries for PHP juniors are much higher (60-100tr). Only very inexperienced interns get 20-40 there.

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iBird Rose, 2017-03-08
@iiiBird

make an appointment to work hourly. in his spare time from his current job. for example 2 weeks. to understand whether everything suits both the employer and you. normal employers quietly go for this. because they need it too. Well, this is how you work after your current job for a couple of weeks, if you like everything, you quit and get a job.

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Sergey Goryachev, 2017-03-08
@webirus

Remote work for a junior is not fiction, quite a reality.
But keep in mind right away that you will not have (or will have little) professional growth.
Working in a team, you could solve complex problems quickly.
Remotely, you will spend time working more.
This is common practice. The exception is if you are a child prodigy.
Therefore, serious employers do not trust remote juniors much.
Yes, and just advice - work in the office, get smart.
If the company does not give you professional growth, change to a more top one.

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Crash, 2017-03-09
@Bandicoot

It's one thing to agree to remote work for a good salary, it's another thing to really be able to do it, to gain a foothold in it. It is difficult - no one will come up, tell you how best to do it, no one will point a finger. You alone can struggle for hours on solving a problem, although its solution was on the surface and more experienced colleagues in the office would immediately tell you about it.
In addition, for remote work, you need to have a higher degree of self-organization, tk. the mode of the day and the work schedule will most likely have to be adjusted by yourself.
In the past, he only wanted to work remotely. It's cool - a solid salary, especially if you live in a depressed region, no expenses for you in the form of trips back and forth. But in the process, a lot of pitfalls surfaced, which prevented me from gaining a foothold in remote work. As a result, I went to work in the office with the hope of someday returning to remote work)

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Maxim Timofeev, 2017-03-08
@webinar

Lately, thanks to my signature here on the toaster, a lot of people have been knocking on my skype. Just a lot. Most of them are typesetters. Some, on the contrary, are confident yii users and I don’t understand why they need me? And the Junes were few. Some are ready to work 2 hours a day, but who needs it. Some promised to pull up yii and return to the question. Woz and now there. So there is probably a certain lack of adequate juniors. And 30 in my opinion is quite real money.
Either way, you won't know until you quit. I took a risk at the time. The truth is, I didn't have a choice. But this is poetry.

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zipofar, 2017-03-08
@zipofar

The fact of the matter is that they want full time right away without any "working out", which leads to certain thoughts. There are simply no top studios in the region. There are bitrixes with a salary of 25 thousand. + 8h. according to the time tracker, well, every trifle. Where they pay more, the juniors are not needed. In addition, not working in a team, I do not know my speed in completing tasks. In general, the option is probably just to take a vacation and fuck.

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Alexey Epsilon, 2017-03-16
@Epsiloncool

Why quit? Take a vacation! It can even be unpaid, if the paid one is not given in any way. If you really can’t at all - say that you are sick, you can sit at home for two weeks without any problems. And look there.
PS 30k is quite ridiculous money. Try to find something more adequate.

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Sergey Nizhny Novgorod, 2017-03-08
@Terras

Hello.
In php, there are a lot of full-time remotes - there are both studios (most often Bitrix), or support for some regional portals (garbage vacancies, but work is work). Money, though they don’t pay much (30-40 thousand). If you are afraid that you will not be able to cope, then take a couple of local projects to freelance, see if clients and their Wishlist load you, and you can already make a decision calmly.

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Sergey Nekrasov, 2017-03-09
@Judixel

There was such an experience as a frontend, I worked remotely, I even managed to work with foreigners, you constantly feel helpless because you don’t know shit, but this is not a problem if you know how to search. And anyway, after I came to the office, they made it clear to me that I don’t know shit, well, I don’t know how to work in a team in principle, so it’s not in vain that they advise you to work in the office first, but again it depends on the office, all sorts of web studios little vryatli will teach you something, in fact, that's why I went to remote work, because there was no qualitative growth precisely as a specialist, rather as a puncher.

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Dmitry Pavlov, 2017-03-16
@dmitry_pavlov

It's more of an invention. Try it, the difficulties will become clear. You can successfully work remotely when there is sufficient experience in normal work. I do not exclude, of course, the possibility of unique cases when a novice programmer has mastered not only how to write code, but also the remaining 80% of the knowledge and skills necessary for remote work.
In order not to leave work, you can either (if you have enough health) do it in parallel with work (in the evenings, on weekends), or at work write an application for leave at your own expense for personal reasons for the period you need. After that, you will return to work.
If you want, see my answers tagged freelancing and remote work . There were discussed some points that may be of interest.

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Anatoly, 2017-03-17
@Skit25

It worked for about two years. No tricks. It was a good customer. Although you can't speak for everyone. As I understand it, as long as there is not enough experience, the work will be like that of a loader: dirty, dreary and low-paid, that's the whole point.
When there is enough experience, then we change torn jeans for a spacesuit and start creating.
Of course, let the bydlockers fly into outer space, which somehow go through the protective personnel department of the immune system, bydlock to metastasis, then they are finally removed, but then it takes a long time to restore the body.

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