Different shipping discount for authorized and non-authorized Bitrix?

Question

1C-Bitrix

How to make free delivery for authorized users from 20 thousand, and for non-authorized users from 5 thousand?
If you specify in the shopping cart conditions: The user does NOT belong to any of the groups, the discount is not applied. Apparently, Bitrix does not check for belonging to a group of unauthorized people.
Many forums raise this question, but apparently there is no solution.
Maybe someone has done something like this?

Answer 1

Hey!
Make two rules, the screen is attached, the second rule is almost the same.

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It is important to specify the Delivery Service.
In the delivery service itself, you can specify who can use it:

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This is an option for those who are registered.
For guests (although it is customary in Bitrix to register guests in a hidden group), create a duplicate of the delivery service, but specify the group for guests, and then this service in the cart rules.
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It may be necessary to specify the rules sorting.
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If you show how you place an order for NOT authorized users, then show the code, I will say thank you. Because without the above crutch, everything should work.

Answer 2

No way.
Because: the question is, how can you create an order for unauthorized users? The order is always tied to some user. And if there is a user, then he is registered.
Even if the option to register a user when creating an order is checked, after that all discounts are recalculated and the rule that the user is registered will work again.